How Are the Meissner Effect and Lenz's Law Related?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between the Meissner effect in superconductors and Lenz's law, as well as the implications of the Meissner effect for magnet levitation over superconductors. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to superconductivity and magnetic fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the connection between the Meissner effect and Lenz's law, suggesting that the Meissner effect is fundamentally a microscopic phenomenon requiring quantum mechanics for a complete understanding.
  • One participant notes that while the Meissner effect explains the repulsion of magnetic fields, it does not account for the stable levitation of magnets over type II superconductors, which may involve flux trapping.
  • A participant shares empirical observations from measuring the inductance of superconducting dipole magnets, attributing changes in inductance to the Meissner effect and noting the exclusion of the ac magnetic field from superconducting coils.
  • Another participant proposes that Lenz's law could be relevant if superconductors enhanced magnetic fields instead of weakening them, but ultimately distinguishes the Meissner effect from normal induction.
  • Some argue that the Meissner effect alone is sufficient to explain levitation due to diamagnetism, while others assert that flux trapping is necessary for certain configurations of levitating superconductors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the Meissner effect and Lenz's law, with no consensus reached. There is also disagreement on whether the Meissner effect alone can account for magnet levitation, with some asserting it is sufficient and others indicating the need for flux trapping.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for quantum mechanical explanations for the Meissner effect and the potential influence of flux trapping on the stability of levitated magnets, indicating that these factors are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hi, really quick question.

Is there a relationship between the Meissner effect (in superconductors) and Lenz's law.

Also, can the Meissner effect alone explain why a magnet can levitate over a superconductor, or do I need to learn about flux trapping (which isn't required by my syllabus).
 
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Jiachao said:
Hi, really quick question.

Is there a relationship between the Meissner effect (in superconductors) and Lenz's law.

I can't think of any "helpful" connection. The Meissner effect is ultimately a microscopic effect so you need QM for a full explanation (e.g. calculate the penetration depth).

Also, can the Meissner effect alone explain why a magnet can levitate over a superconductor, or do I need to learn about flux trapping (which isn't required by my syllabus).

The Meissner effect explains why the field is repelled so in that respect it explains the levitation. But it does not explain why a magnet can find a stable configuration (and does not "fall off") when levitated over a type II superconductor; for that you need to know something about flux trapping.
 
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Many years ago, I measured the ac inductance (imaginary part of impedance) of the Fermilab Tevatron superconducting dipole magnets, as the magnets cooled from liquid nitrogen to liquid helium temperature (4.2 kelvin), and back. I used a 1 amp signal, with frequencies ranging from 10 Hz to 5 KHz. At about 9 or 10 kelvin, the inductance abruptly dropped from 49 mH to 45 mH at all frequencies, the difference being due to the ac magnetic field being excluded from the volume occupied by the superconducting coils (Meissner Effect). See attached jpg. The dropoff in inductance at higher frequencies is due to ac losses in laminated iron collars, cryostats, etc. The real part of the magnet impedance was simultaneously measured, and showed no change.
 

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Jiachao said:
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Is there a relationship between the Meissner effect (in superconductors) and Lenz's law.

I do think that there is something of Lenz' law going on. If the superconductor would enhance the field instead of weakening it, then we would have a build up of magnetism between two Superconductors. Creating field energy out of nothing until the superconductivity breaks down. But otherwise the Meissner effect is not the same as normal induction.

Also, can the Meissner effect alone explain why a magnet can levitate over a superconductor, or do I need to learn about flux trapping (which isn't required by my syllabus).

Diamagnetism is all it needs, there are other things floating in magnetic fields if the field strength is high enough. So yes the Meissner effect is enough.

On the other hand the hanging superconductors that fly need flux trapping.
 

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