How bad do we need a pressurized fuel tank?

  • Thread starter Thread starter dE_logics
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Fuel Tank
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of a pressurized fuel tank that can maintain high pressure without the need for a constant energy source, such as a pump. Participants explore potential advantages, applications, and concerns regarding the safety and functionality of such a system in various contexts, including vehicles and small engines.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a pressurized fuel tank could function similarly to a supercharger, potentially increasing power delivery per stroke by forcing fuel into the engine.
  • Others argue that simply adding fuel under pressure does not inherently increase power, as the air-fuel mixture has an optimal ratio beyond which additional fuel does not contribute to performance.
  • A participant mentions that maintaining high pressure could reduce evaporation and improve fuel metering due to consistent density, although this may also raise the fuel temperature.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of pressurized fuel tanks, with some participants likening them to bombs and discussing the risks associated with high-pressure systems in the event of a crash.
  • Some suggest that using a fluid to maintain pressure, rather than gas, could minimize risks associated with fuel ejection in case of a failure.
  • A participant notes that current pressurized fuel systems already exist, but they require pumps and additional components, which could complicate design and increase costs.
  • There is discussion about the potential for eliminating pumps in small applications, such as lawn mowers, where gravity feed is currently used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of ideas, with some supporting the concept of a pressurized fuel tank and others questioning its practicality and safety. No consensus is reached regarding the advantages or feasibility of such a system.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions about pressure maintenance, safety concerns, and the implications of using pressurized systems in various applications. The discussion reflects a range of technical considerations and potential trade-offs.

  • #31
Isn't a pressurized tank of fuel a Very Bad Thing? Pressuring the fuel using a pump means that, unless the pump is active, you don't have to worry about pressure. But if the tank is pressurized passively, you're sitting on a bomb.
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
  • #32
We've already discussed that.
 
  • #33
a vented, unpressurized tank is probably more dangerous. vaporization can take place easy from vibration/aggitation. positive pressure could keep the fuel below its vapor pressure
thats why the tanks are slightly pressurized now. it cuts "random emissions" from the car just sitting in the heat

dr
 
  • #34
on the drive home yesterday, the critical design flaw surfaced (impending pun)
the surface area of the interface between fuel and pressure would need to be constant, to get constant output pressure. that would mean the tank would need to be exactly the same shape and size from open to full. The fuel would also have to stay pretty much level all the time. Most fuel tanks are non-uniform in shape, often smaller at the top, and lengthening out at the bottom. this could greatly effect the whole car design as the gas tanks are "designed to fit in the leftover space"

dr
 
  • #35
The design needs to be a of constant geometrical, that's the only way it will work.

The volume can be trimmed off to give it a constant geometry...this will be a major drawback.The flue level in bikes matters significantly...you can actually feel the difference.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 39 ·
2
Replies
39
Views
4K
Replies
16
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
7K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 39 ·
2
Replies
39
Views
16K
  • · Replies 82 ·
3
Replies
82
Views
28K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
12K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
5K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
24K
Replies
25
Views
47K