I How big and how old is the Universe?

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The discussion centers on the size and age of the universe, clarifying misconceptions about its dimensions and the implications of inflation. The observable universe is approximately 98 billion light-years in diameter, while the age is about 13.8 billion years, but the universe's actual size and age remain uncertain and potentially infinite. Extrapolating backward to a singularity is mathematically flawed, as it does not accurately reflect reality due to the complexities of cosmic expansion and the influence of dark energy. Observers at different distances perceive the universe's age differently based on light travel time, complicating measurements. Ultimately, while current models provide estimates, the true nature of the universe's size and age is still a topic of ongoing research.
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GeorgeDishman said:
I did a search of one of the forums a few weeks ago and found an old post (but I can't find it now of course) that gave the radius of the 3-sphere as:

##R = c / (H_0 sqrt(Ω_K))##

Plugging in the upper limit for ##Ω_K## from the Plank 2015 results then gives a minimum total volume. However, I've seen other sites that use that same argument but get very different numerical values from what I worked out.
You should get the minimum radius of the curvature approx R=205 Gly. Is that what you have?
 
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Bandersnatch said:
You should get the minimum radius of the curvature approx R=205 Gly. Is that what you have?
Yes, for a Hubble Length of 14.4 Gly from Wikipedia: ##R = 14.4 / \sqrt(0.005) = 203 Gly## for the radius, which I think means ##2 \pi R = 1280 Gly## for the circumference (proper distance to return to your starting point) and ##2 \pi ^2 R^3 = 1.67*10^6 Gly^3## total volume. The Planck value is 95% confidence (from memory) so that would be 97.5% confidence minimum limits (50% chance of curvature < 0) assuming a 3-sphere rather than some other topology.

I found the other similar calculation I saw recently by Ethan Siegel in a blog (obviously not an authoritative source) but that seems to be a factor of 10 larger:

"If the Universe does curve back and close on itself, its radius of curvature is at least 150 times as large as the part that’s observable to us! Meaning that — even without speculative physics like cosmic inflation — we know that the entire Universe extends for at least 14 trillion light years in diameter, including the part that’s unobservable to us today."

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/07/18/how-big-is-the-entire-universe/
 
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Bandersnatch said:
In the meantime, you could use these graphs:
Thanks, I recognise those from the Lineweaver paper. The example I gave is outside our cosmological event horizon so the light will never reach us.
 
  • #34
I do not think we have any evidence of what an observer somewhere else in the Universe would see. You must be applying the Cosmological Principal, which is an assumption, not a fact.
 
  • #35
Bill McKeeman said:
I do not think we have any evidence of what an observer somewhere else in the Universe would see.

Sure we do; everything we can see is evidence about what observers elsewhere in the universe would see. It's not perfect evidence, but it's not no evidence either.
 
  • #36
Bill McKeeman said:
I do not think we have any evidence of what an observer somewhere else in the Universe would see. You must be applying the Cosmological Principal, which is an assumption, not a fact.
I'd say it's a reasonable assumption though, given that all of the Universe which we actually do see, is in fact isotropic and homogeneous at the large scale
 

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