How big and how old is the Universe?

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter wwoollyyhheeaa
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Universe
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the size and age of the Universe, clarifying that the observable Universe is approximately 98 billion light-years in diameter, while its age is estimated at 13.8 billion years. Participants emphasize that the expansion of the Universe and the concept of a singularity are complex, with the singularity being a mathematical abstraction rather than a physical reality. They also highlight that extrapolating backward in time using current models can yield misleading results due to the influence of dark energy and matter on the expansion rate.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Hubble's Law and its implications (V=Hd)
  • Familiarity with cosmological models, including inflation and loop quantum cosmology
  • Knowledge of redshift and its significance in measuring cosmic distances
  • Basic grasp of the concept of dark energy and its role in the Universe's expansion
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the implications of dark energy on cosmic expansion
  • Explore the mathematical models used in cosmology, particularly regarding singularities
  • Learn about the observable Universe and its measurement techniques
  • Investigate the differences between the observable Universe and the entire Universe
USEFUL FOR

Astronomers, cosmologists, physics students, and anyone interested in understanding the complexities of the Universe's size and age.

  • #31
GeorgeDishman said:
I did a search of one of the forums a few weeks ago and found an old post (but I can't find it now of course) that gave the radius of the 3-sphere as:

##R = c / (H_0 sqrt(Ω_K))##

Plugging in the upper limit for ##Ω_K## from the Plank 2015 results then gives a minimum total volume. However, I've seen other sites that use that same argument but get very different numerical values from what I worked out.
You should get the minimum radius of the curvature approx R=205 Gly. Is that what you have?
 
Space news on Phys.org
  • #32
Bandersnatch said:
You should get the minimum radius of the curvature approx R=205 Gly. Is that what you have?
Yes, for a Hubble Length of 14.4 Gly from Wikipedia: ##R = 14.4 / \sqrt(0.005) = 203 Gly## for the radius, which I think means ##2 \pi R = 1280 Gly## for the circumference (proper distance to return to your starting point) and ##2 \pi ^2 R^3 = 1.67*10^6 Gly^3## total volume. The Planck value is 95% confidence (from memory) so that would be 97.5% confidence minimum limits (50% chance of curvature < 0) assuming a 3-sphere rather than some other topology.

I found the other similar calculation I saw recently by Ethan Siegel in a blog (obviously not an authoritative source) but that seems to be a factor of 10 larger:

"If the Universe does curve back and close on itself, its radius of curvature is at least 150 times as large as the part that’s observable to us! Meaning that — even without speculative physics like cosmic inflation — we know that the entire Universe extends for at least 14 trillion light years in diameter, including the part that’s unobservable to us today."

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/07/18/how-big-is-the-entire-universe/
 
Last edited:
  • #33
Bandersnatch said:
In the meantime, you could use these graphs:
Thanks, I recognise those from the Lineweaver paper. The example I gave is outside our cosmological event horizon so the light will never reach us.
 
  • #34
I do not think we have any evidence of what an observer somewhere else in the Universe would see. You must be applying the Cosmological Principal, which is an assumption, not a fact.
 
  • #35
Bill McKeeman said:
I do not think we have any evidence of what an observer somewhere else in the Universe would see.

Sure we do; everything we can see is evidence about what observers elsewhere in the universe would see. It's not perfect evidence, but it's not no evidence either.
 
  • #36
Bill McKeeman said:
I do not think we have any evidence of what an observer somewhere else in the Universe would see. You must be applying the Cosmological Principal, which is an assumption, not a fact.
I'd say it's a reasonable assumption though, given that all of the Universe which we actually do see, is in fact isotropic and homogeneous at the large scale
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 54 ·
2
Replies
54
Views
5K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
6K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
3K
  • · Replies 103 ·
4
Replies
103
Views
11K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K