How Can a Closed Form for This Complex Difference Equation Be Determined?

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The discussion revolves around determining a closed form for a complex difference equation involving a sequence defined by a nonlinear recurrence relation. The equation incorporates multivariate Bell polynomials and seeks to express the sequence without referencing previous terms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a difference equation for the sequence s_{n}, noting that it is defined in terms of previous terms s_{k} and involves Bell polynomials.
  • Another participant suggests that a relationship between the Bell polynomials is necessary to simplify the formula for s_{n}, indicating that without it, the number of terms could grow exponentially.
  • A third participant expresses difficulty in finding recurrence identities for the multivariate Bell polynomials, linking to external resources for clarification.
  • A later reply provides a recurrence relation for the Bell polynomials that may assist in the analysis of the original difference equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the necessity of knowing the properties of the Bell polynomials for deriving a closed form for s_{n}. There are multiple viewpoints on the complexity of the equation and the approach needed to simplify it.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the increasing complexity of the sum in the difference equation as n increases, which may affect the feasibility of finding a closed form. The discussion also highlights the potential for exponential growth in terms without a simplifying relationship.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying difference equations, recurrence relations, or Bell polynomials, particularly in the context of mathematical modeling or combinatorial analysis.

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While working on another problem, the following difference equation came up.

[tex]s_{n}=\frac{1}{r_{1}-r_{1}^{n}}}\sum_{k=1}^{n-1}s_{k}B_{n,k}\left(<br /> r_{1},r_{2},...,r_{n-k+1}\right)[/tex]

The B_{n,k} are (nonlinear) polynomials in the variables r_{1}, ..., r_{n,k-n+1} that don't involve the s's. (In fact they are Bell polynomials though I'm not sure it is necessary to know B's to get a formula for s_{n}.)

Initial condition: s_{1}=1.

You can see that s_{n} is equal to some function of the previous s_{k} for k running from 1 through n-1.

I want a closed form formula for s_{n} that does not involve any other s_{k}. I've taken it up to 5 to look for a pattern and it seeeeems like there is some function of the B's that's being iterated to get the result of simplifying and substituting previous values of s_{k}.

Actually, I'm not sure this is a difference equation because the sum is not fixed but increases in complexity as n increases.

Any feedback or inquiries as to how this problem arose are quite welcome and appreciated!
 
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phoenixthoth said:
though I'm not sure it is necessary to know B's to get a formula for s_{n}

You'll need to use some kind of relationship between the B's to simplify the formula, otherwise s_n will have 2^(n-2) terms (this can be shown by induction).
 
Here is a recurrence I found in the literature which might help.

[tex]B_{n,k}\left( r_{1},r_{2},...,r_{n-k+1}\right) =\frac{1}{k}\sum_{j=k-1}^{n-1}\binom{n}{j}r_{n-j}B_{j,k-1}\left(<br /> r_{1},...,r_{j-k+2}\right)[/tex]
 

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