How can a non-resonant monochromatic light induce an atomic transition?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of how non-resonant monochromatic light can induce atomic transitions, specifically focusing on absorption between two energy levels when the energy difference does not match the frequency of the incident light. The scope includes theoretical considerations and interpretations of quantum mechanics, particularly through the lens of time-dependent perturbation theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how monochromatic light can induce a transition when the energy difference between levels does not match the light's frequency, suggesting that this might violate conservation of energy.
  • Another participant supports the original claim, arguing that energy eigenstates are stable only in the absence of interactions, and that the introduction of a small oscillating electromagnetic field allows for transitions even when energy levels do not match exactly.
  • This participant also mentions the concept of transitory states, implying that energy conservation does not need to be satisfied exactly in such cases.
  • A different participant acknowledges that non-resonant transitions can occur but insists that the photon's energy must be at least equal to the energy difference between the atomic levels for a transition to happen.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which non-resonant transitions can occur. While some argue that transitions can happen without exact energy matching, others maintain that a minimum energy threshold must be met. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of energy eigenstates and the role of perturbations in atomic transitions. The discussion also highlights the complexities of energy conservation in quantum mechanics, particularly in transient states.

Abu Abdallah
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Hello
How can a monochromatic light induce a transition ( absorption ) between two energy levels whose energy difference doesn't match the frequency of the incident light ?? A treatment using time dependent perturbation theory shows that the transition will occur even when the incident radiation frequency and hence the energy of its photons is less than the difference between the two levels !
 
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A transition like that could not happen. It'd violate conservation of energy. Maybe you've misunderstood something? From what exactly did you read this?
 
It's been a long time since I've done this problem, but I believe that the OP is correct.

Let me try and remember, and please forgive me, it's been nearly 30 years...

The first thing one must note is that the "energy eigenstates" of an atom are only energy eigenstates in the absence of any interactions that might allow them to decay. That is, energy eigenstates are stable, but excited atoms are not. Excitations are only stable when you ignore the ways that they can decay. This all gets back to the dE dT > h-bar rule. Energy eigenstates implies that dE = 0, and therefore that dT = infinity, and thus you are considering states that have infinite lifetimes (i.e. states that are stable).

Of course that is only an approximation, but it can be a very good one.

Now consider what happens when you add a small oscillating E&M field to the system. (I.e. monochromatic light.) The effect is that the energy eigenstates that you had before are now going to be slightly mixed. The mixtures will give you the transition probabilities. As Abu Abdallah said, you don't have to have these energies exactly matched in order to have a positive probability of inducing a transition. Heck, if the energies always had to match exactly we'd never get anything done.

The thing to remember is that you are dealing with a transitory state, so it doesn't have to satisfy energy conservation exactly.

Carl
 
Sure non-resonant transitions happen but you can't have a transition unless the photon's energy is atleast the difference between the energy levels of the atom. You can't get the K alpha out of molybednum unless you supply more than the 17 something keVs for example.
 

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