How Can a Watercraft's Path Be Modeled Without Trigonometry in a Flowing Stream?

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The discussion revolves around modeling the path of a watercraft crossing a stream to reach a pier, specifically deriving an ordinary differential equation without using trigonometric functions. The problem involves understanding the dynamics of the watercraft's movement in relation to the stream's flow and the pier's position.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need to express trigonometric functions in terms of the watercraft's coordinates. There is an exploration of how to define the origin for the coordinate system, with suggestions to use either the pier or the watercraft's initial position. Some participants question the accuracy of the derived equations and the geometric representation of the scenario.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the geometric relationships involved. There is a focus on clarifying the setup of the problem and ensuring that the necessary relationships between the variables are correctly established. No consensus has been reached yet, as various interpretations and representations are still being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraint of avoiding trigonometric functions while attempting to derive the necessary equations. There is also a mention of the need to clarify the initial conditions and coordinate system used in the problem.

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Homework Statement


A watercraft is crossing the stream to reach the pier. (See attached figure.)

Basically, I have to derive an ordinary differential equation of the path the watercraft travels, which I can then solve using MatLab, etc.
i.e. derive \frac{dy}{dx} in terms of V_{W}, V_{B}, x, y & W only (no trigonometric functions nor \beta).

Homework Equations


V_{W} = speed of stream
V_{B} = craft speed rel. static water
W = stream width

At a point (x,y), the ruling equations for the watercraft are:
\frac{dy}{dt} = V_{W} - V_{B}sin\beta

\frac{dx}{dt} = V_{B}cos\beta

The Attempt at a Solution


\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dy}{dt} \times \frac{dt}{dx} = \frac{V_{W} - V_{B}sin\beta}{V_{B}cos\beta}

I think:
W = V_{B}cos\beta.t
x = cos\beta
y = sin\beta

I know that I have to find an equivalent for cos\beta & sin\beta but I am perplexed at this moment...

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you haven't told what the question was. Is the goal to arrive at the pier in the shortest time, or is the boat always pointing towards the pier?
If the boat is always pointing towards the pier, you can get sin(beta) and cos(beta) from x, and y. You have to chose an origin for the coordinates.
 
Sorry, yes the watercraft does always point towards the pier (throughout the journey).
Please see the attached figure for a more representative diagram.
What do you mean by choosing an origin?

Thanks
 

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You have to chose where the point with x=0, y=0 is. From what you've written so far this isn't clear.
What you've done so far is ok, but you still need sin(beta) and cos(beta)
I think drawing a triangle with the following sides will help:
1. a line from the boat to the pier
2. a line going through the pier in the direction of the y-axis
3. and a line going through the boat in the direction of the x-axis
 
Do you mean like this? (See attached figure.)
Wouldn't the initial position be (0,0)?

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Hendrick said:
Do you mean like this? (See attached figure.)

just draw the boat somewhere in the middle of the stream at position (x,y)

Wouldn't the initial position be (0,0)?

It may be a bit easier to use the pier as (0,0). of course you only have to make the substitution u = y + w to get from one to the other.
 
How about this? (See attached figure)

Thanks
 

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I think this diagram is more accurate than my previous one. (See attached figure)
 

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Hendrick said:
I think this diagram is more accurate than my previous one. (See attached figure)

finding cos(theta) and sin(theta) as a function of x and y should be easy from this rightanled triangle, with all the sides known.
 
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Hi,

was the hypotenuse correct?
Because if I did it via Pythagoras, it yields an equation which I do not think is equal.
\sqrt{(W-x)^{2}+y^{2}}
 
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Hendrick said:
Hi,

was the hypotenuse correct?
Because if I did it via Pythagoras, it yields an equation which I do not think is equal.
\sqrt{(W-x)^{2}+y^{2}}

Yes. What do you mean with an equation that is not equal?
 

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