How can DNA bend or circularize with a persistence length of 150 bp?

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The discussion centers around the concept of persistence length in double-stranded DNA and its implications for the bending and circularization of shorter DNA segments, particularly those around 100 base pairs or less. Participants explore the definition of persistence length and its relevance to DNA flexibility and structural behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how DNA with a persistence length of ~150 bp can bend or circularize if segments of ~100 bp are considered too short.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the definition of persistence length, indicating uncertainty about its implications for DNA behavior.
  • A third participant introduces the term "ORI" (origin of replication) and expresses skepticism about its relevance to the discussion.
  • Further clarification on persistence length is provided, describing it as a measure of polymer stiffness and the distance over which the direction of a DNA segment persists due to limited flexibility, noting that bending requires energy and that DNA can bend significantly around histones.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the definition and implications of persistence length, and there is no consensus on how it relates to the bending or circularization of shorter DNA segments. Multiple viewpoints and questions remain unresolved.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the relevance of persistence length to DNA behavior, as well as the dependence on definitions of terms like "ORI" and "persistence length." The discussion does not resolve these ambiguities.

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The persistence length of a double stranded DNA is reported to be ~ 150 bp.


If so how can DNA of ~100 bp and less bend or circularize?

Or is the definition of persistence length wrong ?
 
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What is the definition of persistence length?

The ORI is pretty long itself, so I'd suspect 100 bp would be too short.
 
whats ORI ?
 
What's the definition of persistence length?

The ori is the origin of replication. I have no idea if it's relevant to the topic, because I'm not sure what "persistence length" means.
 
from the net:
Persistence length (P): A lengthscale for polymer stiffness. The distance over which the direction of a polymer segment persists, in the time or ensemble average, owing to limited flexibility of the polymer. For DNA the persistence length is ~50 nm, i.e., ~150 bp. Chains Ł P in length require a lot of work (free energy) to bend much, yet in nucleosomes roughly one persistence length of DNA is bent in nearly two full turns.
Or: the length of the DNA along which a thermally excited bend of 1 radian typically occurs (the DNA is essentially straight over shorter distances). Since the persistance length is based on just thermal fluxuations, it should be possible to bend it further with binding energies for instance (wrapping DNA around histones).
 

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