Can we break the hydrogen bonds in DNA with Phonon?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the possibility of breaking hydrogen bonds in DNA using phonons, exploring the relationship between sound waves, heat generation, and DNA denaturation. Participants consider various methods of inducing DNA damage, including the use of microwaves and sonication, while clarifying the distinction between phonons and photons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that phonons, associated with shorter wavelengths, could potentially break hydrogen bonds in DNA, similar to how high temperatures are used for denaturation.
  • Another participant mentions that microwaves could indirectly use photons to heat water, which may lead to DNA denaturation, while also noting that shorter wavelengths can cause DNA damage through mechanisms like UV radiation.
  • A participant questions the terminology used, pointing out a potential confusion between photons and phonons, indicating a misalignment in understanding among participants.
  • It is noted that researchers use sonication to mechanically fragment DNA, which may lead to breaking the DNA backbone before separating the strands.
  • One participant provides energy requirements for single and double-strand breaks in DNA, suggesting that sound pressure levels could be calculated from these values.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the use of sound pressure and high wavelengths, questioning the relationship between sound and heat in this context.
  • A follow-up comment challenges the understanding of basic concepts related to sound and heat generation, indicating a perceived mix-up in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are competing views on the mechanisms and feasibility of using phonons or sound waves to denature DNA, along with some confusion regarding the terminology and concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the effectiveness of phonons versus photons in DNA denaturation, as well as the specific conditions required for sound pressure to achieve the desired effects on DNA structure.

Anand Wilson
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Double stranded DNA are bind with hydrogen bonds in between the nitrogenous bases, Usually we use high temperature for denature,so can we break the hydrogen bonds with phonon because shorter wavelength give rise to heat, weather it is possible to denature the DNA?
 
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If you say, use microwaves to heat the water, I suppose you could indirectly use photons to denature DNA. Shorter wavelengths will usually induce DNA damage. For example, UV radiation can change the identity of some of the bases by creating pyrimidine dimers or oxidizing bases. Ionizing radiation, like x-rays or gamma radiation, is capable of causing breaks in the DNA backbone. For more information, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_repair#DNA_damage
 
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Are we talking about photons or phonons? I think Anand and Ygggdrasil are on two different wavelengths here (pardon the pun :biggrin:).
 
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Ah, ok. I misread the question. Researchers often use sonication to mechanically fragment DNA into smaller pieces, so you might start breaking the DNA backbone before separating the DNA strands.
 
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Anand Wilson said:
Double stranded DNA are bind with hydrogen bonds in between the nitrogenous bases, Usually we use high temperature for denature,so can we break the hydrogen bonds with phonon because shorter wavelength give rise to heat, weather it is possible to denature the DNA?

Sure- a single strand break requires (IIRC) about 3 eV, while a double-strand break requires (again, IIRC) 25 eV.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12683817
http://iopscience.iop.org/1742-6596/373/1/012008/pdf/1742-6596_373_1_012008.pdf

From there, you can work out the required sound pressure levels.
 
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Sound pressure??, with high wave length! we can use sound! what about the short wave length if we need heat?
 
Anand Wilson said:
Sound pressure??, with high wave length! we can use sound! what about the short wave length if we need heat?

I think you need to read up on some basics- you seem to be mixing up a bunch of concepts.
 

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