How Can Engineers Design a Temperature-Independent Resistor?

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The discussion revolves around designing a temperature-independent resistor using carbon and Nichrome materials. The engineer's goal is to achieve a total resistance of 15.0 Ω at 20°C, while considering the temperature coefficients of resistance for both materials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the requirement for temperature independence and question the relevance of the total resistance being independent of temperature. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of resistivity and temperature coefficients, with some participants suggesting that one material must have a negative temperature coefficient.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the relationships between resistivity, temperature coefficients, and resistance. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equations involved, but there remains a lack of consensus on how to proceed with the problem due to the presence of multiple unknowns.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the two temperature coefficients do not necessarily need to sum to zero, and there is an acknowledgment of the challenge posed by having one equation with two unknowns in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



An engineer needs a resistor with zero overall temperature coefficient of resistance at 20°C. She designs a pair of circular cylinders, one of carbon and one of Nichrome.

The device must have an overall resistance of R1 + R2 = 15.0 Ω independent of temperature and a uniform radius of r = 1.40 mm. Determine the lengths l1 and l2 of the carbon and Nichrome segments respectively. You may ignore thermal expansion of the cylinders and assume both are always at the same temperature.

Homework Equations


R1+R2=15
alpha1+alpha2=0
R=pl/A
pcarbon = 3.5e-5
pnichrome = 1.5e-6



The Attempt at a Solution


I don't really know where to begin. The problem states that the 15ohms is independent of temperature. I know what that means but does it have any relevance to the problem? Any help getting started would be appreciated. Thanks
 
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ktobrien said:

Homework Statement



An engineer needs a resistor with zero overall temperature coefficient of resistance at 20°C. She designs a pair of circular cylinders, one of carbon and one of Nichrome.

The device must have an overall resistance of R1 + R2 = 15.0 Ω independent of temperature and a uniform radius of r = 1.40 mm. Determine the lengths l1 and l2 of the carbon and Nichrome segments respectively. You may ignore thermal expansion of the cylinders and assume both are always at the same temperature.

Homework Equations


R1+R2=15
alpha1+alpha2=0
R=pl/A
pcarbon = 3.5e-5
pnichrome = 1.5e-6



The Attempt at a Solution


I don't really know where to begin. The problem states that the 15ohms is independent of temperature. I know what that means but does it have any relevance to the problem? Any help getting started would be appreciated. Thanks

One of those materials would have to have a negative temperature coefficient of resistance. Double check the rho numbers -- is one negative?
 
Rho is the resistivity. Alpha is the temperature coefficient. Both values of resistivity are positive as written. Carbons temperature coefficient is positive and nichromes is negative.
 
ktobrien said:
Rho is the resistivity. Alpha is the temperature coefficient. Both values of resistivity are positive as written. Carbons temperature coefficient is positive and nichromes is negative.

Ah, thanks for the catch. My bad.
 
Could still use some help. Thanks.
 
The two alpha's don't need to add up to zero; R1 and R2 just need to sum to 15--not 15+0.2T or anything, just 15. All the other relevant equations are correct. Why not plug them all into R1+R2=15 and see what you get?
 
Plugging into the two formulas I got.

3.5e-5(l1) + 1.5e-6(l2) = 9.2363e-5

but this gives me 1 equation and 2 unknowns
 
Can someone please help me out?
 

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