How can gravity act as a force on stationary objects

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The discussion revolves around the concept of gravity as a force acting on stationary objects, particularly in the context of Newton's laws of motion. Participants explore the implications of an object at rest having zero acceleration and the forces that counteract gravitational force.

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  • Participants question the relationship between net force and acceleration for stationary objects, considering what forces counteract gravity. They discuss the normal force and its role in supporting objects at rest, such as a person standing on the ground.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the nature of forces acting on stationary objects and exploring different scenarios, such as a person on solid ground versus a trap door. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations of the forces involved are being examined.

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Some participants reiterate the foundational principles of Newton's laws, while others delve into specific examples to illustrate their points. The discussion reflects a mix of assumptions about forces and the conditions under which they operate.

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...if objects at rest have an acceleration of 0, and the net force on an objet equals m*a, then doesn't that mean there must be no net external force on the object? What am I missing here...??
 
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jayjay55531 said:
...if objects at rest have an acceleration of 0, and the net force on an objet equals m*a, then doesn't that mean there must be no net external force on the object? What am I missing here...??
Gravity can be acting on an object that's at rest. It happens all the time here, near the surface of the earth.

If gravity acts on an object, but the object is at rest, then there must be some other force or forces acting on the object to counteract the effect of the gravitational force.
 
SammyS said:
there must be some other force or forces acting on the object to counteract the effect of the gravitational force.

What would these forces be, in the example of a person standing on the ground?
 
What's the difference between a ball falling through the air and one sitting on the ground?
 
jayjay55531 said:
...if objects at rest have an acceleration of 0, and the net force on an objet equals m*a, then doesn't that mean there must be no net external force on the object? What am I missing here...??
It doesn't really matter whether the object is moving or not. If the object is stationary or moving at constant speed, then the sum of all forces must be zero. When object is on e.g. the surface of the Earth or on a table there is always normal force preventing the object from sinking through the surface as per Newton's III law.
 
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If a person is standing on the ground, what is keeping him from falling through the ground?
 
jayjay55531 said:
...if objects at rest have an acceleration of 0

Objects at rest have a velocity of 0. If a net force acts on them their acceleration, the time-derivative of their velocity, will be non-zero making them move.
 
jayjay55531 said:
What would these forces be, in the example of a person standing on the ground?
For a person standing on the ground, the ground itself is pushing upwards on the person, supporting the person.

If a person is standing on a trap door, then as long as the trap door remains closed, it supports the person, by pushing up on the person. If the trap door is opened, and falls away, then the only force acting on the person is gravity, and the person will accelerate downward.
 

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