How Can Gravity and Electromagnetism Be Unified Through a Rank 1 Field Theory?

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The discussion centers on a proposed unified field theory that combines gravity and electromagnetism (EM) into a single rank 1 field using a specific Lagrange density. The theory suggests that both forces can be derived from the same 4-potential, leading to a new formulation of the field equations that can reduce to Maxwell's equations in certain conditions. The proposed model is consistent with weak field tests of gravity and predicts differences in light bending compared to general relativity, which could be tested in future experiments. Additionally, the theory addresses the evolution of electric and mass charges under different configurations, emphasizing the linear nature of the proposed framework. Overall, this unified approach aims to reconcile the fundamental differences between gravity and EM while remaining consistent with established physical principles.
  • #301
Getting lost in terms

rewebster said:
The way I see your animation/diagram is/could be that the 'circle' is gimbled (moving at a high rate) on all three axes with time transversing on all three planes at the same time ('-' -> '+') showing/plotting for least separation of the intersection(s) along any of the axes (x, y and/or z--or, to be able to show it in animation, a combination of any two (x,y,z) tranversing across at one of any given/every possible random vector). --that should still show the two points separating and rejoining in the double (overlapping '+' and '-') harmonic/sine (?) 1/2 wave looking pattern. Would that work?

(writing out, now, may appear to be easier than the diagram/animation--hmmm?)

Maybe its too late for me, but I did not understand what your wrote. I see nothing "moving at a high rate". I happened to scale the animation to fill 10 seconds. I could also scale it to fit into a time frame of 10 picoseconds, or a thousand years. Nothing is marked. It is quite the abstraction.

The reason time is in the 3 complex planes is because time is the real axis that is shared by the three imaginary unit vectors (I happen to use i, j, k for convenience, but r, theta, phi or some other combination of spatial unit vectors are possible).

I have see what sine and cosine look like. It was not anything like I expected. I think there is one image up on quaternions.sf.net, but I need to add a few more to the collection.

doug
 
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  • #302
4-vectors of motion

CarlB said:
Can you comment on how your theory works as a vector theory?
This line reminded me of one of the paths to the exponential metric. There is a Lorentz 4-force in my proposal:
F^{\mu}=-Jm_{\nu}(\partial^{\mu} A^{\nu}+\partial^{\nu}A^{\mu})
I drop in the weak gravity, electrical neutral potential into this, and solve for the 4-velocity. Here is the 4-velocity, weak gravity solution to the 4-force equation:
(\frac{d t}{d \tau}, \frac{d R}{d \tau}) = (exp(-G M/c^2 R), exp(G M/c^2 R))
Sorry, but I do think those \tau's are necessary.

doug
 
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  • #303
I don't mean to imply that I think that current representations of what happens in black holes are correct. I always thought the "event horizon" of the Schwarzschild metric was silly, and that's why I wrote the Painleve simulator, to show that one could redo GR and eliminate that stuff. But more than that, even though the Painleve coordinates are an improvement, I doubt that they are correct.

I'm doing black hole simulations for pretty much the same reason Kepler would have done epicycle simulations.

sweetser said:
There turns out to be a few great ironies at work here. Folks who take a quick glance find the 1/R^2 potential with 1/R^3 force, and thus dismiss this approach.

I don't see this as a problem at all. Heck, I don't even see what your point is. You do get the apprximate 1/r potential with the exponential thing don't you? This is approximately valid in the far field isn't it? Of course it is, otherwise you'd never have invested this much time in it.

Any gravitation theory should give equations of motion (and I'm interested in yours even if they are valid only for large r), and those equations of motion can always be written as a power series in r. Unless the theory is straight Newtonian gravity, there has to be forces other than 1/r^2.

In fact, when I write the equations of motion of the Painleve metric as a power series in r, it has some pretty crazy terms. Letting the particle velocity \dot{x},\dot{y} be of order 1 (i.e. for simulating light rays), the orders of the forces are:

\begin{array}{rcl|r}\ddot{x} &=&-\sqrt{2}\dot{x}(\dot{x}^2+\dot{y}^2)/r^{1.5}&1.5\\&&+1.5\sqrt{2}\dot{x}(x\dot{x}+y\dot{y})^2/r^{3.5}&1.5\\ \hline&&-x/r^3&2.0\\&&+3x(x\dot{x}+y\dot{y})^2/r^5&2.0\\&&-2\dot{y}(x\dot{y}-y\dot{x})/r^3&2.0\\ \hline&&+3\sqrt{2}\dot{x}/r^{2.5}&2.5\\&&+2\sqrt{2}y(x\dot{y}-y\dot{x})/r^{4.5}\;\;\;\;\;&2.5\\ \hline&&+2x/r^4&3.0\\ \hline\end{array}

As far as diverging from Newton in the far field, one only worries about terms that have powers of 2 or lower, and that are not multiplied by the particle velocity. (If they are multiplied by particle velocity, then they go to zero as particle velocity is small compared to speed of light.) In the above, you will note that there are lots of such terms, but they all have particle velocity involved.

To look at forces for small velocities, ignore all the terms multiplied by velocity. What's left is:

\begin{array}{rcl|r}\ddot{x} <br /> &amp;=&amp;-x/r^3&amp;2.0\\ \hline<br /> &amp;&amp;+2x/r^4&amp;3.0\end{array}

In other words, in Painleve coordinates there is also a 1/r^2 potential leading to a 1/r^3 force (i.e. the +2x/r^4). But the Newtonian contribution dominates at large r. Schwarzschild is similar, but it only looks nice when you write it in terms of powers of r and (r-2). And in any case, the actual orbits for Schwarzschild and Painleve are identical. All that differs is a redefinition of time, depending on the radius.

By the way, this talk has influenced me to go and make the calculation for the deflection of light from my equations of motion. I'll do it over on my "independent research" thread.

I'm really looking forward to your equations of motion for the exponential solution. It should be possible to see the various tests approximately achieved. For example, the ratio of the bending of light in Newton's and Einstein's theories is only 2x in the limit of small bends. This is something that should be obvious but (stupidly) I did not realize it until I simulated light bending and found that Einstein's light bends far more than twice Newton's prediction close to a black hole. It amazes me that this surprised me.

The simulation is already good enough to pick off small far field effects. And I'm soon going to implement R-K numerical methods (4th order) and expect it to get a lot more accurate soon.

Carl
 
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  • #304
Hello Carl:

At long last, I may be able to deliver the equations of motion for the GEM proposal for a spherically symmetric, non-spinning, electrically neutral mass. All that needs to be done is to rearrange the 4-velocity in my earlier post.

Here is that 4-velocity again:
(\frac{d t}{d \tau}, \frac{d R}{d \tau}) = (Exp(-G M/c^2 R, Exp(G M/c^2 R)
Let's eliminate the pesky \tau. Multiply both sides by the inverse of \frac{d t}{d \tau} which is \frac{d \tau}{d t} or equivalently, Exp(G M/c^2 R)
(1, \frac{d R}{d t}) = (1, Exp(2 G M/c^2 R)
Looks like an elegant answer to me. Does this satisfy your request?

doug
 
  • #305
If I'm understanding your animation of the U(1), it's (yours is) an arbitrary (random) representation as a circle in x,y,z---doesn't the representative circle go through all possibilities 'gimbaling' through the x,y,z co-ordinates through time/conditions and describes a hollow sphere in x,y,z --but as a circle at any given instant/circumstance?---maybe I'm understanding your animation wrong.
 
  • #306
Hello:

There is no circle in x, y, z. There are 3 ellipses, one in the t-x plane, one in the t-y plane, and a third in the t-z plane. If there is a circle in one of these three complex planes, then there are lines in the other two.

In the quaternion animation, the line is straight through space. It is true that the line could point in any direction in 3D space.

doug
 
  • #307
yes--excuse me,--ellipse(s)

I had stopped the play and didn't get the audio

I guess what I have been looking at is if the animation for U(1) is a fair and/or generalized representation, IF the position of the ellipse(s) is/can be random, or if there was a way to show that it COULD be somehow represented AS arbitrary/random and still maintain an accurate visual depiction through all other possibilities.
 
  • #308
I am quite confident the animation is fair because the numbers that are fed in using the rules that generate U(1). Pick out any event, form the product with another event. The result will be another element of U(1). Now take those first two events, but multiply them in reverse. You get the same result because these quaternions commute. The generator of all these quaternions is one quaternion. That is the way the Lie algebra u(1) works (I used a small u).

There is freedom to point U(1) along any unit vector in 3D. The unit vectors do not have to be Cartesian, just part of a set of three unit vectors that span the 3D space. One could represent the group U(1) along a curved line with the choice of spherical coordinates.

doug
 
  • #309
sweetser said:
There is freedom to point U(1) along any unit vector in 3D. The unit vectors do not have to be Cartesian, just part of a set of three unit vectors that span the 3D space. One could represent the group U(1) along a curved line with the choice of spherical coordinates.

doug

This is what I've been alluding to, or trying to get to. --and after listening (this time) to the audio, there's not this variable mentioned--as a open variable/freedom/arbitrary choice. Is there any way to animate this as a 'freedom' and still maintain the 'point' model that is the result of the time line? It would seem a little more 'correct' as a more representational model or mentioned that this freedom is there.
 
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  • #310
This is what I've been alluding to, or trying to get to. --and after listening (this time) to the audio, there's not this variable mentioned--as a open variable/freedom/arbitrary choice. Is there any way to animate this as a 'freedom' and still maintain the 'point' model that is the result of the time line? It would seem a little more 'correct' as a more representational model or mentioned that this freedom is there.
I've only got 30 seconds to yak in that audio, so it is not surprising I don't go into all the issues. You were right to feel like U(1) does not fill up a volume of spacetime. Yet it is only one of the four known forces of nature. Have you listened to the YouTube video on the standard model? U(1) is doing the work of EM. SU(2) does the work of the weak force, and fills up much more space. U(1)xSU(2) goes everywhere, but not evenly. The group SU(3) could be covered by all the possible angles in space of the group U(1). This was already known because U(1) is a subgroup of SU(3), so play with enough U(1)'s and SU(3) is done.
 
  • #311
sweetser said:
(1, \frac{d R}{d t}) = (1, Exp(2 G M/c^2 R)
Looks like an elegant answer to me.

Eventually I need a 2nd order differential equation like:

\frac{d^2R}{dt^2} = f(R, dR/dt).

For example, the Newtonian equations of motion are:

\frac{d^2 R}{dt^2} = -\frac{2RMG}{|R|^3}

so you should probably approach this for large R and small velocity dR/dt (assuming you don't have a MOND effect).

To get to this from the line element I will have to make some assumption about the orbits. In GR, the assumption is that the orbits are geodesics of the line element. I can make that calculation, (by calculus of variations) though it will take some effort.

What I'm saying is that if your orbits follow the geodesics of the line element that I think you are using, i.e.:

d\tau^2 = \exp(-GM/c^2R)dt^2 - \exp(+GM/c^2R) (dx^2+dy^2+dz^2)

then I can eventually figure it out. This is a simpler line element than GR gets, so it should be simpler to get the orbits out of it. Or did I leave out a factor of two and get some signs wrong in the above?
 
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  • #312
sweetser said:
Have you listened to the YouTube video on the standard model?


sorry---I couldn't get passed the one of you with your foot behind your head
 
  • #313
Equations of motion

Hello Carl:

Small correction to the metric you wrote: there needs to be factors of 2 in both the exponents.

I just got a useful book, "Mathematica for theoretical physics: Electrodynamics, quantum mechanics, general relativity, and fractals". They showed how to get the equations of motion for the Schwarzschild metric. Being a good biologist by training, I was able to clone the answer for GEM:

<br /> \frac{4 G M R&#039;^2 e^{\frac{4 G M}{c^2 R}}}{c^2 R^2}-\frac{4 G M t&#039;^2 e^{-\frac{4 GM}{c^2 R}}}{R^2}+R \phi &#039;^2-2 R&#039;&#039; e^{\frac{4 GM}{c^2 R}} ==0

<br /> \frac{4 GM R&#039; t&#039;}{R^2}+c^2 t&#039;&#039;==0

<br /> -2 R R&#039; \phi &#039; - R^2 \phi &#039;&#039;==0

There is a 1-to-1 correspondence between the terms in the Schwarzschild equations of motion and the GEM equations of motion. Corrections appear in only one of the three equations as expected.

Is this form more helpful? It now looks more official.
doug
 
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  • #314
sweetser said:
There is a 1-to-1 correspondence between the terms in the Schwarzschild equations of motion and the GEM equations of motion. Corrections appear in only one of the three equations as expected.

Cool. Would you kindly edit in the difference? Of course these equations of motion are differential equations in s or tau instead of t, but I'm sure I can convert them. And to simulate them efficiently, they will have to be put into Cartesian form.
 
  • #315
Equations of motion

Hello Carl:

Here are the equations of motion, for the Schwarzschild metric first (see if it looks Kosher to you), in Cartesian coordinates, presuming we are in the z=0 plane of a system that stays in said plane, so all z's can be ignored.

<br /> \frac{2 G M(x x&#039;+y y&#039;)t&#039;}{\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{3/2}}+c^2\left(1-\frac{2 G M}{c^2\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\right)t&#039;&#039;=0<br />

<br /> -\frac{G M x t&#039;^2\left(1-\frac{2 G M}{c^2\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\right)^2}{\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{3/2}}+\frac{G M\left(x x&#039;^2-x y&#039;^2+2y x&#039;y&#039;\right)}{c^2\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{3/2}}-x&#039;&#039;\left(1-\frac{2 G M}{c^2\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\right)=0<br />

<br /> -\frac{G M y t&#039;^2\left(1-\frac{2 G M}{c^2\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\right)^2}{\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{3/2}}+\frac{G M\left(y y&#039;^2-y x&#039;^2+2x x&#039;y&#039;\right)}{c^2\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{3/2}}-y\text{&#039;&#039;}\left(1-\frac{2 G M}{c^2\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\right)=0<br />

All the derivatives are with respect to the Lorentz invariant distance s = \sqrt{x^2 + y^2 - c^2 t^2}. Looks kind of scary to me.

Proceed anyway. On to the GEM equations of motion in Cartesian coordinates:

<br /> \frac{2 G M(x x&#039;+y y&#039;)t&#039;}{\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{3/2}}+c^2t\text{&#039;&#039;}=0<br />

<br /> -\frac{G M x t&#039;^2\text{Exp}\left(\frac{-4 G M}{c^2\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\right)}{\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{3/2}}+\frac{G M\left(x x&#039;^2-x y&#039;^2+2y x&#039;y&#039;\right)}{c^2\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{3/2}}-x\text{&#039;&#039;}=0<br />

<br /> -\frac{G M y t&#039;^2\text{Exp}\left(\frac{-4 G M}{c^2\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\right)}{\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{3/2}}+\frac{G M\left(y y&#039;^2-y x&#039;^2+2x x&#039;y&#039;\right)}{c^2\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{3/2}}-y\text{&#039;&#039;}=0<br />

All the t, x, y, t', x', y', x'', y'' terms are in the same place. I was able to collect the exponential into one term (exponential are so convenient).

I can provide the Mathematica notebook if anyone is interested. The result is not this pretty (meaning the result had to be simplified "by hand" and is subject to human error). I did check that the units for all the terms are the same.

doug
 
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  • #316
Submission for the 2007 Essays on Gravitation

Hello:

For the last 50+ years, there has been a contest for the most "provocative" paper dealing with gravity. I entered the 2007 contest, but alas, did not win, nor did it receive one of a few dozen "honorable mentions". I have been trading emails with the guy who won the top prize of $5k. I though I'd plug in my entry, even though it is far longer than is the norm here, coming in just under 1500 words, per the rules of the contest. I hope you enjoy.Submission for the 2007 Essays on Gravitation
Sponsored by the Gravity Research Foundation

Title: Geometry + 4-potential = Unified Field Theory
Author:
Douglas B. Sweetser
39 Drummer Road
Acton, MA 01720
sweetser@alum.mit.edu

Abstract:
Gravity is the study of geometry. Light is the study of potentials. A unified field theory would have to show how geometry and potentials could share the work of describing gravity and light. There is a long list of criteria that must be satisfied to have a reasonable hypothesis, from recreating the Maxwell equations, to passing the classical tests of gravity, to demonstrating consistency with the equivalence principle, and working well with quantum mechanics. This essay works through many of the common objections.

Paper:

Geometry without a potential is like a bed without a lover. The Riemann curvature tensor, with its divergence of two connections, is exclusively about geometry and all about the bed sheet. Newton's scalar potential theory was the first math to reach and direct the motion of the stars. It is only about the scalar potential. Unfortunately, it is too small, being inconsistent with special relativity. I will try to construct a unified field theory for gravity and electromagnetism as a compromise between Newton and Einstein, the potential and the metric, in a way that will get along with quantum mechanics. My guiding principle is provided by Goldielocks, who might find a scalar theory too small, a rank 2 theory too large, so perhaps a rank 1 proposal will be just right.

I honestly love Newton's potential theory. It is still in use today by rocket scientists who do not put an atomic clock onboard their ship. It gets half the answer right about light bending around the Sun. When a theory comes up short, we can either discard it or figure out the simplest way to lend a hand. A gravitational theory with a thousand potentials instead of one will be able to match every experimental test of gravity. Use Occam's razor: a 4-potential should be more than adequate to match how gravity makes the measurement of time get a little smaller, while the measurement of 3-space gets a little larger.

I am torn between two lovers, Newton and Einstein, feeling like a fool. Thugs from Ulm will insist that gravity must be a metric theory. They have the experimental tests of the equivalence principle to prove it. They punch home the fact that the way to take the derivative of a connection that transforms like a tensor is through the Riemann curvature tensor. Drop the Ricci scalar into an action, vary it with respect to the metric, and out from the heavens flies Einstein's field equations.

What's wrong with that? A metric theory isn't silly at all. One must be able to express gravity in terms of a metric. Based on my respect for Newton, I wonder if it is possible to find a compromise between a larger 4-potential and a metric theory?

When we were young, we would write a covariant tensor as A_{\nu}. The differential \partial_{\mu} also transforms like a tensor. When we bring these two together, the 4-derivative of a 4-potential, \partial_{\mu} A_{\nu}, the result does not transform like a tensor. The reason is that as we move around a manifold, the manifold - not the potential - might change. A means of accounting for a changing surface must be made. Here is the definition of a covariant derivative all students of gravity learn:

<br /> \nabla_{\mu} A_{\nu} = \partial_{\mu} A_{\nu} - \Gamma_{\mu \nu}^{\sigma} A_{\sigma}<br />

Can you spot the symmetry and identify the group implied by this definition? Imagine we make a measure of one of these terms, say \nabla_0 A_0, and it happens to be 1.007. If one worked in flat Euclidean spacetime, the connection would be zero everywhere, and everything would come from the change in the potential, \partial_0 A_0. One could also decide to use a constant potential, so the dynamic metric's connection would account for all the change seen, -{\Gamma}_{00}^{\sigma} A_{\sigma}. One has the ability to continuously change the metric and thus the connection so long as there is a corresponding change in the potential which leaves the resulting covariant derivative invariant. This sounds like the group Diff(M) of all diffeomorphisms of a 4D spacetime with the additional constraint that there are changes in the 4-potential such that the covariant derivative is unaltered.

Born background free, as free as general relativity, one must find a differential equation whose solution will dictate the terms of the dynamic metric. That is what the derivative of the connection in the Riemann curvature tensor does: there are second derivatives of the metric whose solutions under simple circumstances can be found. I have chosen to study the simplest vacuum 4D wave equation:

<br /> \square^2 A_{\mu} = 0<br />

It is vital to note that I did not write the D'Alembertian operator, which would have been a box without the 2. Instead this is a covariant derivative acting on a contravariant derivative acting on the 4-potential. The first derivative will bring in a connection, and the second derivative will take the derivative of the connection, resulting in a second order differential equation of the metric, precisely what is needed to be background free. Can we find interesting combinations of metrics and potentials that solve this differential equation and is consistent with all tests of gravity to date?

Say we used a constant potential, where all the second derivatives were zero. Make the problem simple: a static, spherically symmetric, and non-rotating mass. For those skilled in the arts of differential geometry, it should be straightforward to show that the divergence of the connection of the exponential metric (below) is a non-trivial, entirely metric solution to the 4D wave equation. Compare the exponential metric in isotropic coordinates:

<br /> d \tau^2 = exp(-2 \frac{G M}{c^2 R}) d t^2 <br /> - {\frac {1}{c^2} exp(2 \frac{G M}{c^2 R}) (d x^2 + d y^2 + d z^2)<br />

a nicely matched pair of exponentials, with the Schwarzschild solution in isotropic coordinates:

<br /> d \tau^2 = (\frac{1 - \frac{G M}{2 c^2 R}}{1 + \frac{G M}{2 c^2 R}})^2 d t^2 -<br /> \frac{1}{c^2} (1 + \frac{G M}{2 c^2 R})^4 (d x^2 + d y^2 + d z^2)<br />

which is inelegant enough to rarely be seen in books on general relativity. Theorist prefer the Schwarzschild coordinates while experimentalists must work with isotropic ones. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but an exponential is the calling card of a deep insight into physics.

Either metric satisfies all tests of the equivalence principle because the solution is written as a metric. Either metric satisfies all tests of the weak field because their Taylor series is the same to the terms tested. Either metric satisfies all strong field tests because it is entirely about a metric, so there is no other field to store energy or momentum. For an isolated system, the lowest mode of emission is the quadrapole moment. The metrics differ in second order effects by twenty percent in how much light is bent around the Sun, so it is a shame no one has been funded to get the data.

The 4D wave equation has been quantized, and written up in most books on quantum field theory, in the section on relativistic quantization of the Maxwell equations. Two of the modes of emission are the transverse spin 1 fields of light. That is no surprise. The scalar and longitudinal modes are banished to a virtual state using a ``supplementary condition'' because the scalar mode would allow negative probabilities, a no-no. That is the way it is for a spin 1 field theory where like charges repel. The field strength reducible asymmetric tensor \nabla_{\mu} A_{\nu} for this proposal can be split in two: an irreducible antisymmetric rank 2 tensor to do the work of electromagnetism with a spin 1 field so like electric charges repel, and an irreducible symmetric rank 2 tensor to do the work of gravity with a spin 2 field so like mass charges attract. Gravity couples to the 4-momentum, not the rank 2 stress-energy tensor. All forms of energy go into both sources, except one: the energy of a gravitational field. To be consistent with electromagnetism, gravity fields do not gravitate. Should a gravity wave ever be detected and measured along six axes, the polarization of that wave will be transverse if general relativity is correct, but not if this unified field proposal is accurate. Such data will be hard to get, but the difference would be unambiguous.

The speed of gravity is the speed of light, and so its field strength tensor must be gauge invariant. The field strength tensor \nabla_{\mu} A_{\nu} is only gauge invariant if its trace happens to be zero. That is where the massless graviton lives. When the trace is not zero, then the scalar field formed from the trace of \nabla_{\mu} A_{\nu} will break the U(1) symmetry of electromagnetism. The Higgs particle is unnecessary. There is a quantum expression of the equivalence principle, a link between the spin 2 particle (\nabla_{\mu} A_{\nu} when tr(\nabla_{\mu} A_{\nu} = 0) that mediates gravity and the scalar field needed to establish inertia (tr(\nabla_{\mu} A_{\nu})\neq 0).

There is an important benefit to splitting the load for describing gravity between the connection and the changes in the potential. By using Riemann normal coordinates, an arbitrary point in spacetime can have a connection equal to zero. For that point, the energy will be zero. That has remained a technical problem for people trying to quantize general relativity. For this proposal, the energy contributed by the connection could be zero, but that contributed by the potential would be non-zero. Localized energy is a good thing.

Einstein had a great respect for Newton's towering body of work. He might have appreciated this compromise between geometry and potentials which allows light to lay down with gravity in the same equation.

fini
 
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Doug, I'm glad you put this up here. That concept of "splitting the load between the connection and the potential" gives me a better intuitive understanding.

I will get back to the equations of motion soon. Right now there is a lot of furious paddling underneath the surface, so don't think that this duck isn't going anywhere.
 
  • #318
Meaning of "gauge"

Hello Carl:

CarlB said:
That concept of "splitting the load between the connection and the potential" gives me a better intuitive understanding.

Thanks. The jargon word - gauge - I know is going to create issues. This is a German word for "measure" which we first get exposure to with model trains. In field theories, it means there is a field that can be added in that will not change a solution to some field equations, just the numbers that pour out. The ability to add in the field means one can impose a gauge constraint - I wish to make the first term always equal to zero, so I'll add in this gauge field.

My proposal involves an issue of measurement, but of a different character. It comes straight out of the definition of a covariant derivative. You, the constructor of the numerical description, get to decide how much of the ball dropping to the Earth is due to a 4-potential, and how much is due to spacetime curvature. Go from one extreme to the other in a continuous way, you make the call.You are a courageous duck, and I am very patient. Those equations of motion look nasty to me, particularly since they are all derivatives with respect to the interval. I'm glad there are both the GR and GEM equations, because those results should differ only at the second order PPN level of accuracy, and even then only by 20%. My sense is that one would need to be hyper paranoid about error management before any difference between the two was "real" and not an artifact. I have no idea how one distinguishes between two big, complicated calculations that are different by a wee little bit, and rounding error.

doug
 
  • #319
Spin 2 current-current interactions

Hello:

I have been having an email discussion with a physics professor about my proposal. He did not agree that the second rank symmetric tensor would be the place where a spin 2 field would live. Instead he said it might be a place for a rank 0 field. That mystified me, since a quality of a scalar field is the complete lack of indexes, and a rank 2 tensor has 2. He also was talking about currents, something I had never done anywhere, not even in this very long thread! He scolded me, told me to read "Feynman Lectures on Gravitation", chapter 3.

Feynman rocks! I completely understood where the critical professor was coming from. His objection was reasonable. Then, once I really get a complaint, a small twist of an under-used math tool is usually all it takes to pull out the thorn. Here goes...

Feynman's analysis deals directly with 2 currents that interact, a viewpoint I have not used often. The charge coupling term, j&#039;^u A_u has one current. Where is the other? One can take the Fourier transform of the 4-potential A_u and in the momentum space representation rewrite the potential like so:

A_u = - \frac{1}{K^2} j_u

This is how the 2 currents interact:

interaction = - \frac{1}{K^2}j&#039;^u j_u

Make things simpler by having the current move along z:

K_u = (\omega, 0, 0, k)
K^2 = \omega^2 - k^2

Write out the interaction by its components:

- \frac{1}{K^2}j&#039;^u j_u = - \frac{1}{\omega^2 - k^2}(\rho&#039; \rho - j_x&#039; j_x - j_y&#039; j_y - j_z&#039; j_z)

Charge is conserved, so:

K^u j_u = 0 = \omega \rho - k j_z

Use this to eliminate j_x:

- \frac{1}{K^2} j&#039;^u j_u = \frac{1}{k^2}\rho&#039; \rho + \frac{1}{\omega^2 - k^2}(j_y&#039; j_y + j_z&#039; j_z)

If we are in the rest frame of j' or j, then only the charge density matters. Move relative to that reference frame, and the other terms come into play.

Feynman now focuses on the jx and jy terms. This is where physics becomes math magic. These two currents always involve virtual photons. Further, Feynman works with the poles, where \omega-&gt;k. These virtual photons are the sum of two independent terms, j_x&#039; j_x and j_y&#039; j_y. A different way to say this is that there are 2 independent polarities for photons.

That was fun, but I wanted to think more precisely about the product of two currents. I'm going to use quaternion algebra, but if you are more comfortable with the Dirac algebra - only a twist of i away - go ahead.

(0, j_x&#039;, j_y&#039;, 0) (0, j_x, j_y, 0)^* = (j_x&#039; j_x + j_y&#039; j_y, 0, 0, j_x&#039; j_y - j_y&#039; j_x)

The phase term is in the z slot. It will require a 2 pi rotation to get back to go. The current-current interaction is a spin 1 photon, so like charges repel. Good.

It occurred to me that there might be another distinct product of these two currents. Consider the conjugate operator, which flips all the signs except the first one. It is known by mathematicians that there is more than one anti-involutive automorphism. Let's break down that jargon. The automorphism means that the function maps back to the same space. Taking two operations brings the function back home. The final bit is (a b)* = b* a*. Big words, but here is a simple idea: fix a term other than the first one, and flip the signs of all others. This little algebra trick is missing from many professional physicists tool drawer. Let me define the second conjugate like so:

(t, x, y, z)^{*2} === ( (0, 0, 1, 0) (t, x, y, z) (0, 0, 1, 0) )^* = (-t, -x, y, -z)

Put this tool to work for two interacting currents:

(0, j_x&#039;, j_y&#039;, 0) (0, j_x, j_y, 0)^{*2} = (j_x&#039; j_x - j_y&#039; j_y, 0, 0, j_x&#039; j_y + j_y&#039; j_x)

Take a peek at page 39, and you'll realize this product has the character of spin 2! I think the idea is that the two parts of the phase term can add together, able to race back to their initial spot in pi radians. This product describes with two degrees of freedom a current interaction where like charges attract. Cool. A 4-current has 4 degrees of freedom, 2 for a spin 1 current where like charges repel, 2 for a spin 2 current where like charges attract.

This calculation made my memorial day weekend memorable.
 
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Subtle correction to GEM current-current interaction

Hello:

In the game of unified field theory, terms involving gravity must be similar to those for EM, but not exactly the same. In the above post, I made the gravity current-current interaction exactly in EM's image, looking only at the j_x and j_y currents. This indicates that gravity is a transverse wave.

Gravity is not a transverse wave. The transverse modes of emission for a 4D wave is light, the photon. That leaves the scalar and longitudinal modes for gravity. Something has to be different to justify the different modes of emission. I decided to see if I could somehow involve the current j_z, since that would be a real current along the direction of motion. Going back over the calculation, instead of eliminating j_z, I tossed out \rho:
- \frac{1}{K^2} j&#039;^u j_u = \frac{1}{\omega^2}j_z&#039; j_z + \frac{1}{\omega^2 - k^2}(j_x&#039; j_x + j_y&#039; j_y)
Now I can form products with j_x and j_z:
(0, j_x&#039;, 0, j_z&#039;) (0, j_x, 0, j_z)^{*1} = (j_z&#039; j_z - j_x&#039; j_x, 0, - j_x&#039; j_z - j_z&#039; j_x, 0)
Likewise for j_y and j_z:
(0, 0, j_y&#039;, j_z&#039;) (0, 0, j_y, j_z)^{*2} = (j_z&#039; j_z - j_y&#039; j_y, j_y&#039; j_z + j_z&#039; j_y, 0, 0)
This still has the spin 2 symmetry Feynman refers to on page 39 of his lectures on gravity. What is revealing is to add up these current products:
(0, j_x&#039;, j_y&#039;, 0) (0, j_x, j_y, 0)^{*} + (0, j_x&#039;, 0, j_z&#039;) (0, j_x, 0, j_z)^{*1} + (0, 0, j_y&#039;, j_z&#039;) (0, 0, j_y, j_z)^{*2}
=(2 j_z&#039; j_z, j_y&#039; j_z + j_z&#039; j_y, - j_x&#039; j_z - j_z&#039; j_x, j_x&#039; j_y - j_y&#039; j_x)
The first term, the current density, is all the real current, while the phase has both spin 1 and spin 2 symmetry. This appears to be an improvement to me.

doug
 
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Report from the 10th Eastern Gravity Meeting

Hello:

This is another L O N G post. I went to the 10th Eastern Gravity Meeting expecting to give a 12 minute talk like I had since EGM 7. It didn't happen because there were too many people attending. I wrote up this note, and will be shipping it out on Monday to the organizers. This is life for an "independent researcher". I do try to do polite body slams.


Subject: Notes from the fringe of the physics community

Alan Lightman discussed progress in physics as a result of community. I thought I would share a few observations I made based on my experiences at EGM 10 from the position on the edge of the community. The hope is to improve the situation in the future, which is why I cc'ed the past organizers.

I define a fringe physicist as someone not employed as a physicist currently, or not on a path towards a degree in physics, who feels compelled to make a contribution. The definition can be applied without passing judgment on the value of the claimed contribution. By this definition, I am a fringe physicist, working for a software company with degrees from MIT in biology and chemical engineering, hoping to unify gravity with the other three fundamental forces of nature.

One defining characteristic of any community is how it treats the elements at the edge. The issues are never easy: is it better to let people live hard but free lives in the streets of the Northeast or force them to take shelter from an institution? The way to handle fringe physicists is not physically dire, but many have a great emotional devotion to their perspective projects. My own approach is to reflect Nature, which doesn't care if we get answers right or wrong, but she gives us an unmatched opportunity to be. Analytical indifference pulls against human hope, and at least for this email, hope has a lead.

At the bulletin boards provided by physicsforums.org, they grew tired of repetitive posts from fringe physicists and created a special place for "independent researchers". They have eight criteria for admission. My work met the criteria, and a discussion going on over there has been accessed twenty two thousand times, a high number for that site. That discussion has improved my proposal. I know where I've made mistakes in my Lagrangian. Dialog can make a difference.

The EGM has been small enough in the past to let everyone hear from the few east coast fringe physicists willing to make the journey. I had presented my work three times before, receiving a few questions at the end. My intent this year was to answer some of those questions, such as a demonstration that the exponential metric I work with satisfies the data for the precession of the perihelion of Mercury. For me, that was a difficult problem to solve. Although I had flipped through a good number of written solutions, none of them made sense in detail. For more than three years I had lived with the weight of feeling inadequate to answer the question. I am persistent to a fault. Sean Carroll's notes helped me step into the problem on the ground floor. I did complete the calculation. I was pleased enough with the twenty four step process that when I got married in October, for my groomsmen I made lunch boxes with the derivation on the side panels. A box made it to Ithaca, but stayed in my bags. The lunch box is both a prized possession and embarrassing.

EGM 10 had to take a different approach. There were too many talks to do in two days. We can hope that next year a smaller armada will fly out from the west coast. The wind was strong due to the stars appearing for Saul's symposium. People being creatures of habit, I would not be surprised if the attendance stays at this level for EGM 11.

The decision was made to provide a poster session for the fringe physicists. There is nothing inherently wrong with such an approach. My guess was such a decision was made very late in a chaotic and hectic game. There is almost no need to point out that people whose talks were shifted to the poster session should have been sent an email, but that detail of execution was missed. I checked the website on Wednesday at work and was able to print out my slides. At Ithaca during the lunch break on Thursday, a $34 trip to the bookstore plus some high paced snipping led to a colorful poster I was pleased with.

At the end of a long day of talks on Thursday, the session was closed without announcing the poster session. There were more fringe physicists with posters than members of the physics community proper. Although Alan Lightman feels guilty about his baby seal clubbing incident with Webber, being utterly ignored can be as bad. Between these two extremes, is there something better?

This is what I did: I practiced my skills as a skeptic. This turned out far better than I expected. It was trivial to spot errors and glaring omissions. It requires discipline to resist clubbing. The bigger challenge was to find the roots of the person's area of study. It is a great exercise to find the pea under the pile of mattresses that is bothering this person. Since the list is not long, I will tell you the positive things I learned from three of my fellow fringe physicists.

1. Ed "negative mass" Miksch was the man who drove up from Pittsburgh with his wife. The organizers certainly know, but other folks may not be aware, how assertive he and his wife were about the need for Ed to be heard by this gathering of physicists. He was the guy who gave the three minute speech at the end of Friday's session. He claims to have shown that we should all be working with negative mass because he's done the calculation, one no physics professor at Reed College in the 50s could find an error in. The reason is that from where his calculation starts, there is no trivial math error.

This issue was understood by none other than James Clark Maxwell, but has not reached the wider physics community. The story was written up well at this URL: http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath613/kmath613.htm. In GR books, they note the link between Newton's potential theory and the Schwarzschild metric, g_00 = 1 - 2 G M/c^2 R = 1 - 2 phi, and so ignoring the constants, phi = - M/R. What Maxwell understood was that such a potential plugged into a field theory like that for electromagnetism implies that like mass charges repel. The correct answer for a Newtonian potential where like charges attract is phi = 1 - G M/c^2 R!. Ed started from the wrong place because he was instructed by everyone that phi = -M/R is OK. Maxwell did see the correct way out - add a HUGE positive constant - he just couldn't justify it. Einstein's metric theory gets the potential theory right. Ed should be proud that he saw a problem realized by Maxwell. It is unfortunate that this potential theory is taught incorrectly to this day, because there will be people in the future that will walk down this wrong bend in the road.

To appreciate the consequences of how Ed's issue is misunderstood at the highest levels of the physics community, I asked Clifford Will why a 4-potential theory was not listed even as a possibility in his Living Review article on GR. He claimed one could make a potential theory get h!alf of the light bending around the Sun, but not all the bending measured by experimental tests. Will is correct for a scalar potential theory, the g_00 term. A 4-potential theory could easily match the data, with A = (1 - 2 GM/c^2 R, -1 - 2 GM/c^2 R, -1, -1), so the g_00 and g_11 terms will contract time measurements and expand space measurements as seen in tests.

2. Fred "MM" Pierce had a poster on the Michelson-Morley experiment. I was not hopeful as he went into his story. He talked about relativity, not once distinguishing between special and general relativity, two very different theories. He pointed out that if the interferometer was placed vertically instead of horizontally, the vertical machine would have interference fringes, both here and at the antipode, while the horizontal machine would not. I told him that was consistent with our current understanding. He then claimed this was connected to a misunderstanding about an ether. I told him I saw no need for an ether.

He also focused on a spinning satellite. He pointed out how the satellite would provide an accelerated reference frame. Go a different distance out from the spinning hub, and your weight would change although your mass would stay constant. Again it sounded consistent with our knowledge. He claimed it shows a link between motion and the cause of gravity. Gravity must be motion since it is the same as being on a spinning satellite. I told him I'd think about it, and left it at that.

Both Newton and Einstein spent quality time thinking about the spinning bucket. I don't think that debate has been settled. There is the standard elevator thought experiment. Gravity has tides, but the elevator does not. Some say that tides are the only real effect of gravity. The spinning satellite has tides, therefore it is a more faithful representative of gravity than the rocket. Once going, the satellite can maintain its "fake" gravity via angular momentum inertia, unlike the rocket which requires ever increasing amounts of energy.

Consider this thought experiment. Someone has replaced the Earth with a thin shell made of dense material such that the mass of the Earth is the same. You don't notice the change until you find a hole in the shell. Curious, you climb through, and almost by accident because you didn't hang on, you end up (or down?) flying across the hollow inside, there being no gravity field. After quite some time (the Earth is large), you get to the other side, and spring on back. This time you grab on to the edge. You got to collect physical data on Gauss' law that there is no gravity field inside a hollow sphere, how cool. You hear a noise, some creaking, and then stand up. The shell of an Earth is moving. It is picking up speed, and finally, it feels like you weigh your usual weight due to the spinning of the Earth. You can crawl back out the hole, and feel your weight due to gravity, or go into the hole, and feel your weight due to the spinning. Do an experiment with tides, and you realize one is a continuation of the other, no matter if you are inside or outside the shell.

I have come to the conclusion that any proposal for gravity must make clear the connection between gravity and rotational dynamics.

3. John "Two Timing" Kulick works with the two dimensions of time. I have written command line programs to add, subtract, multiply, divide, take sines, cosines, and apply group theory to events in spacetime. None of these will work if there are two times. John's work made no sense to me. Although I challenged him on traveling faster than the speed of light, that discussion went nowhere. His mantra was geometry, and I didn't get it.

What I did understand was his complaints about cosmology. From the rotation profiles of disk galaxies, to the big bang, basically anything big or old, physics fails. I am too skilled a skeptic to believe in two dimensions of time, dark matter, or dark energy. It is our mathematical description of nature that will have to change.

4. Doug "Rank 1" Sweetser has a unified field theory. He has also worked on leprosy (cloning genes from the mycobacteria that cause the disease) which somehow seams appropriate: no one wants to hang out with someone who has anything to do with leprosy or unified field theory. It turns out that leprosy is near impossible to transmit, but is the most visually frightening disease and thus the most feared because we are predominantly visual. Since Einstein worked more than thirty years on a unified field theory and failed, this is a topic to avoid, a kiss of death for an academic career.

Prof. Steve Carlip said through an email exchange that he thought my action could only involve a spin 1 and a spin 0 field. I told him if that was true, my proposal would be wrong. I had trouble following his logic. My field equations are rank 1, but my field strength tensor is rank 2. The part that does the work of gravity is a rank 2 symmetric tensor, so I couldn't understand how it could describe a spin 0 field that arises from an index-free tensor. Steve held his ground however, giving up on the discussion, telling me to go read chapter 3 of the Feynman lectures on gravity. That's what I did during EGM 10.

There are two separate reasons why one can spot a spin 1 field in the EM Lagrangian. The first is the rank 2 antisymmetric field strength tensor, A_u;v - A_v;u. The second arises from the charge coupling term, J^u A_u, that can be rewritten using a Fourier transform in momentum space as a current-current interaction. Take one current and the conjugate of another current, form the product, and the phase of the resulting term will return after 2 pi rotations, thus is spin 1. See section 3.2 for details.

My relationship with Steve broke because I was utterly unaware of this standard approach to field theory. I spent many fun hours going through the details of chapter 3, picking up nuances, working on my speed of creating the logic flow. I had his critique based on the coupling term down pat. I have been fortunate that once I understand an issue, I can see two others: how to get around the problem and why it has stumped people before.

If you are given a 4D vector space, list the anti-involutive automorphisms. Sounds too mathematical, sorry. A conjugate is an example. My guess is that nearly all well-trained physicists believe there is nothing other than the conjugate. That is true in a 2D space like complex numbers. A conjugate has three properties: you stay in the same place, two operators in a row is like doing no operator, and (a b)* = b* a*. One could imagine an operator that flips the sign for all but the x. I call this the first conjugate because it is the first part of the 3-vector. The second conjugate is defined similarly. Although one could define a third conjugate, it does what the other three could do in combination, so I don't include it. My bet is that all who read this note have never used a first or second conjugate, but it should be a simple idea to absorb.

I redid the Feynman current-current interaction calculation, and when the time was right, used a first conjugate instead of the Plain Jane conjugate. The resulting product is written on page 39 for a spin 2 particle. Getting the details solid on that calculation made the trip.

My unobserved poster had two themes. One board was nothing but the Lagrangian, a partial derivative party. I included the recently worked out details of the current-current spin 2 interaction. The second part tried to answer a difficult question asked of me: what does your theory do that's really different? A 4D Lagrangian is not different.

I decided at this meeting to come out of a mathematical closet, and admit publicly that I use quaternions. My observation is that half of technically trained people are familiar with the word, and few have done any serious calculations with them. The exceptions are rocket scientists and game designers who do 3D calculations without the problem of gimbal lock. There are a few people who play near quaternions: Connes with non-commutative geometry, Penrose with twistor theory, Alder with quaternionic quantum mechanics, and Baez with octonions. Out here on the edge, I learned how to take a quaternion expression and make an animation. I figured out how to make a ten second animation of SU(2), the group sitting in the middle of the standard model. I can say with complete confidence you don't know what it looks like, but my ipod does. Small steps from there have led to animations of U(1), U(1)xSU(2), SU(3), and Diff(M)xSU(3). I think a visual justification of the standard model with gravity qualifies as "really different".


FUTURE LINE OF ACTION

The organizers of EGM 11 will face the same issues you have. Please feel free to pass on any of these observations and suggestions.

We should admit that there is a physics fringe. That fringe needs to interact with physics skeptics. I could see a later presentation session, or a poster session for "alternative approaches". We would need to get a good dozen or more grad students and professors, including the organizer of the meeting. The reward for the professionals would be a chance to work on their skills as skeptics. It is a balance of asking, connecting, sifting through the history of physics, and criticizing. The session should not be promoted as such, rather we find a different way to accommodate a group that will hopefully remain on the same scale of a half dozen. I could serve as a liaison or chair of the session.


Was the conference worth my time and eleven hundred dollars? The funds came from an estate left by my mother back in August. She would have wanted me to go but to be careful someone did not steal my ideas. This unified field theory is the elephant in my life. I am proud of its latest trick with a spin 2 current-current interaction. I want to know if this elephant is real or a technical mirage. My own limitations are painfully glaring to me. This note, long as it is, has brought clarity on my feelings concerning the fringe of physics. Sorry for the fire hose of an email and attachments, but I am from MIT.

Thank you for all the effort you put into this meeting.

doug
 
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Thanks for the report. About "The exceptions are rocket scientists and game designers who do 3D calculations without the problem of gimbal lock." The situation in geometric algebra is similar. Half the users are computer programmers.
 
  • #323
Why like charges repel in EM, like charges attract for gravity

Hello:

I posted this in the newsgroup sci.physic.research. It was a clear explanation about like charges in EM and gravity, so am adding it to this thread.

>give some examples of your calc that do occur in, or do reflect our real world applications. (mech/dynamics/electr)

>I ask this because the EM force carrier is supposed to be of a spin 1 nature, whereas the gravitational force mediator is supposed to be a spin 2 entity.

You are correct, the photon is spin 1, and the graviton which we won't be detecting any time soon is spin 2. A fundamental property of EM is that like charges repel. That is consistent with the force mediating particle being spin 1. Likewise, in gravity like charges attract, so the force mediating particle must be spin 2. Brian Hatfield gave a good explanation of this in the introduction to "The Feynman Lectures on Gravity". Force mediating particles must have integral spin. To always act one way, the gravity mediating particle must be even spin.

Since light is bent by a gravity field, a spin 0 particle will not work (anyone want to provide the reason, I've seen that written a few times, but am not clear on the logic). Ergo the simplest particle would be spin 2.

In EM where like charges repel, the photon must be odd spin. I don't know that I have ever heard a spin 3 particle discussed, but a photon is spin 1.

A Lagrange density describes all the ways a system can trade energy per unit volume. Integrate a Lagrangian over space and an arbitrary amount of time. If you can find something that can be varied without changing the integral, that is a conserved quantity for the action. From the Lagrangian, one can crank out the force equations by varying the 4-velocity keeping the 4-potential fixed, or the field equations by varying the 4-potential and keeping the 4-velocity fixed.

In the real world of EM, how can we look at the Lagrangian and tell that like charges repel and the force mediating particle is spin 1? Here is the Lagrangian:

\begin{equation}\mathcal{L}_{EM} = - \rho_m/\gamma\end{equation}
\begin{equation*}\tag{2}- J_q^{\mu} A_{\mu}/c\end{equation*}
\begin{equation*}\tag{3}- \frac{1}{4 c^2} (\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu} - \partial_{\nu} A_{\mu})(\partial^{\mu} A^{\nu} - \partial^{\nu} A^{\mu})\end{equation*}

To generate the Lorentz force equation, only (1) and (2) matter since they are the ones that have a 4-velocity inside. Because they have the same sign, the resulting force law will indicate that like charges repel.

To generate the Maxwell field equations, only (2) and (3) matter since they have the 4-potentials. Here again, because they have the same sign, like charges repel.

There are 2 ways you can spot the spin 1 force mediating particle. The first way focuses on (3). If one switches the order of the indexes on the antisymmetric field strength tensor, the sign of the field strength tensor will flip. That is a signal that the spin is odd.

What I did not understand was how to look at term (2) and pick out a spin 1 field. Section 3.2 does a great job of it. The idea is transform the charge couping term into a charge-charge interaction. Look at the product of a charge-charge interaction, and focus on the phase. That takes 2 \pi to get back to where it started as expect for a spin 1 particle.

So to review, there are 4 reasons while like charges repel in the \mathcal{L}_{EM} Lagrangian: the force equation (1&2), the field equation (2&3), the spin 1 particle in the antisymmetric field strength rank 2 tensor (3), and the spin 1 particle in the current-current interaction (2). Nothing like logical consistency!

If you wanted to make a Lagrangian that could do the work of gravity, all four of these chips must stack up. Here is a Lagrangian I play with:

\begin{equation*}\tag{4}\mathcal{L}_G = - \rho_m/\gamma\end{equation*}
\begin{equation*}\tag{5}+ J_m^{\mu} A_{\mu}/c\end{equation*}
\begin{equation*}\tag{6}- \frac{1}{4 c^2} (\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu} + \partial_{\nu} A_{\mu})(\partial^{\mu} A^{\nu} + \partial^{\nu} A^{\mu})\end{equation*}

The force equation will have like charges attract because the signs of (4) and (5) are different.

The field equations will have like charges attract because the signs of (5) and (6) are different. These two are easy and well known.

Look at (6), and you seen an indication of an even spin field because if the indexes are changed, the sign does not change. Because there are indexes, the second rank field strength tensor cannot be spin 0. The trace of this tensor would make a spin 0 field. Effectively there will always be spin 0 field associated with this higher spin field. Cool. If the trace is zero, then the particle characterized by (6) will travel at the speed of light. If not, the particle will have a non-zero mass.

In Misner, Thorne, & Wheeler, problem 7.2, they consider an antisymmetric tensor for (6) which cannot work because it would indicate an odd spin mediating particle, and thus not self-consistent.

The memorial day weekend calculation was about term (5). One has to be able to spot a spin 2 particle in the current-current interaction. That will have a phase that looks like 2 jx jy, so that in \pi radians it will get back to where it started. I used a different kind of conjugate that many physicists are not aware of, basically one that tosses in a pair of basis vectors.

So to review, there are 4 reasons while like charges attract in the \mathcal{L}_G Lagrangian: the force equation (4&5), the field equation (5&6), the spin 2 particle in the symmetric rank 2 field strength tensor (6), and the spin 2 particle in the current-current interaction (5).

Steve Carlip was correct to complain about my lack of understanding about the current-current/spin 2 issue. Hopefully I have made progress on it.

doug
 
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Interesting

[Edit] I'm up to page 13 and it's looking great.

The attached paper is not peer reviewed, and I am not suggesting its content should be compared with your own work. Only the proposed tests of the metric might be of interest.
 

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  • #325
Hello Hai-Long:

I've printed out your paper, and will hopefully figure out a comment which I will send via email, not this forum. I hope that reading through this LONG thread you will see that some progress has been made.

doug
 
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Betting Against the Higgs

Hello:

I have decided that until I identify a show stopping problem, I should try and promote this work with established physicists once a week. This is a sales job. Sales is difficult, because the answer is always no, no, no, no, no, no, and no. If I try weekly, that is at least 52 knocks on the door. As an example, no one responded to the the EGM 10 note posted earlier here. Presume no one responds to these notes unless I tell you otherwise. Nothing in this is personal, it is how people respond to pitches, whether it is a door-to-door vacuum cleaner salesman or an internet unified field theory promoter.

There was a show stopping problem recently that Prof. Steve Carlip pointed out, the current-current interaction having to be spin 2 when Feynman had shown it was spin 1. I think that one has been resolved by using a different kind of conjugate.

So the first pitch was to a Harvard professor. If you want to read a great, long article on the search for the Higgs by the Large Hadron Collider, click here:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/05/14/070514fa_fact_kolbert

Many good people are in on the effort to detect the Higgs. My objections is only mathematical. I believe that gravitational mass breaks the symmetry of the standard model, so no Higgs mechanism with its false vacuum is needed. I work with a unification group theory that is smaller than the standard model - U(1)xSU(2)xSU(3) - which has 12 elements in its Lie algebra. Instead I work with SU(3)=(U(1)xSU(2))* U(1)xSU(2). One of the cool things about this smaller model is that it has the chance to explain why we don't see quarks: we already see particles for the photons and the weak particles. I hope people have clicked through the youtube visualization here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ExNPiMcVXww

So these are the reasons I don't accept the math - and it is only about the math, nothing personal.

Here was the email I sent to the good professor:


Hello Prof. Arkani-Hamed:

Based on a recent New Yorker article, I see you are an enthusiastic
believer in the Higgs particle, that we should be able to detect it at
the LHC. If that happens any time in the next ten years, I will fill
out the scanned check for the number of GeV/c^2 for the Higgs. You
have an incentive to hope for a heavy Higgs :-)

I used to play against someone who went on to win the World Series of
Poker (at that time, we were about even in skill for dealer's choice).
It might appear this is a high risk without reward. There is a small
chance that despite how busy you are, you might click through
some of the attached work I've done which makes me believe that the
Higgs is unnecessary.

We know what U(1) looks like, a circle in the complex plane. Do you
know what the group SU(2) looks like? I bought an Ipod because I
figured out how to do this (a unique reason for the purchase, I still
forget to bring the earphones with the device, visualizing the
standard model being more important than a few mp3's). I also have
electroweak symmetry, SU(3), and Diff(M) in the machine. I happen to
be an independent guy who has been playing games with quaternions, the
kind of number sitting at the center of the standard model. Analytic
animations using quaternions led directly to these result.

I'm a lab technician by training. I report what I have. I have a
rank 1 field theory that unifies gravity and EM. That statement can
be supported by the Mathematica notebook that goes from the Lagrangian
out to a metric that is consistent with first order PPN tests of weak
field gravity, and predicts 0.8 microarcseconds more bending of light
around the Sun than the Schwarzschild metric of GR. The exponential
metric is manifestly more elegant than the Schwarzschild metric
because exponentials appear in fundamental laws of physics.

It is clear that if this proposal is correct, there will be a new
stable constant velocity solution to classical gravity. I have yet
to cow rope the equation to problems like the rotation profile of
spiral galaxies or issues with the standard big bang (I've had trouble
both understanding the numbers being used, and how to do the numerical
integration). I point this area out because it may provide a new way
to solve big problems in cosmology and to show I don't overstate my
case.

Stay busy.
doug

ps. The check was written yesterday, before the details of the work at
Fermilab on Cascade B, not the Higgs, came out. This is all about the
math, nothing about the good people who do both the experimental and
theoretical work.
 
  • #327
Just as an aside--In what area of work are you a 'lab technician' ? Is it sort of like a patent clerk?
 
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  • #328
Doug,

in post #313 you give the EOM for the exponential metric. You're in 3 dimensions and theta is missing so I asume you've made a simplifying assumption like theta = pi/2, or dtheta = 0. Can you please confirm exactly which metric you used so I can compare with my calculations ?

Thanks,
M

[edit]I sorted it out. I get the same equations now.
 
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  • #329
The aside

Hello Rewebster:

I am a oversensitive to your question. This is the Independent Research Forum, which makes it fringe physics turf with a veneer of respectability, a veneer that is important not to scratch. John Baez created the "Crackpot Index", http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html. For example, I get points for this one:

30. 30 points for suggesting that Einstein, in his later years, was groping his way towards the ideas you now advocate.

It is clear that Einstein, in his later years, was looking for a way to unify gravity and EM. There is great documentation for this. I would not say he used my approach. He did try all kinds of different ways. For a good discussion of this, read chapter 26 of A. Pais' "Subtle is the Lord...". The difference technically is clear: Einstein used the Riemann curvature tensor which is kind of like a divergence of connections, a connection being a measure of how metrics change. The Riemann curvature tensor is thus a measure of the second order changes in metrics that transforms like a tensor.

That works for gravity. The problem is that there is no place for a 4-potential. Potential theory is essential for EM, the weak, and the strong force. I am trying to find the compromise between changing potentials and changing metrics.

Now to your aside. I was a molecular biologist. I cloned and sequenced DNA from the mycobacteria that causes leprosy. It was a remarkable job at many levels. The most relevant part for this thread was the way I would go in every day, feeling utterly inadequate for the scale of what was ahead, yet trying to do a little bit. I have avoided going for top positions in my area of work so there would be time to work on things I cared about that are utterly irrelevant to how I make a dollar. The same holds true today, although now I work for a software company. I am not trying to climb any ladders here, no 60 hour work weeks for me.

doug
 
  • #330
Please forgive me if there was any 'itch' caused by my comment. There is/was a comparable nature of someone pursuing and doing the all fine work that you ARE doing while still laboring at a job that isn't related to your main passion. AND, if ANYONE was to receive the 30 points, they should be allotted/ascribed/deposited into MY account. I KNOW that Einstein was a physicist FIRST. The day to day way that people make a living should, as even in Einstein's case, should be taken as an 'aside', rather than a defining attribute (patent clerk), to a person's greater goal. Too often he is described as a patent clerk who wrote relativity and, also won a Nobel prize for his photoelectric effect, when he was always a TRAINED PHYSICIST first, working for a while to make a living for his family at a job, I think, just to minimize what he had done as if 'anyone' could do it. If your work does succeed, someone else (besides me) will make a similar comparison. (I was trying to make a small compliment of the intensive work you were doing.)
 

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