How Can Green's Function Solve Boundary Conditions for ODEs?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Green's Function to solve boundary value problems for ordinary differential equations (ODEs), specifically the equation w'' - w = f(x) with boundary conditions w'(0) = 1 and w'(1) = 0.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the Green's Function and expresses confusion regarding the number of unknowns and boundary conditions. They question whether there is an implied boundary condition that has been overlooked.
  • Another participant discusses the properties of the Green's function and the conditions that must be satisfied at the boundaries, including continuity and jump conditions at specific points.
  • Further inquiries are made about the origin of a particular equation related to the general solution of the differential equation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem and clarifying concepts related to Green's Functions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the conditions necessary for the Green's function, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's concerns.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of boundary conditions and the implications of the Dirac delta function in the context of Green's Functions. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity on specific assumptions and conditions that may not be explicitly stated.

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Homework Statement



Given w'' - w = f(x)

w'(0) = 1
w'(1) = 0


Homework Equations



Find the Green's Function

The Attempt at a Solution



The solution to the homogeneous equation is known as:

w(x) = A*exp(-x) + B*exp(x)

For G's function we have:

u(x) = A1*exp(-x) + B*exp(x), u'(0) = 1
v(x) = A2*exp(-x) + B*exp(x), v'(1) = 0

The homogeneous equation is easily solved by plugging in two B.C.s. However, with Green's function we have two equations with two unknowns and one B.C. each. This leaves:

u'(0) = 1 -> B1 = 1 + A1 -> u(x) = A1*exp(-x) + (1+A1)*exp(x)
v'(1) = 0 -> B2 = A2*exp(-2) -> v(x) = A2*exp(-x) + A2*exp(-2)*exp(x)

Since G1 = A(c)*u(x) and G2 = B(c)*v(x), and we have two jump conditions at point c, I don't see how this can be solved. I've done other problems where A(c) and B(c) can be merged with A1 and A2, but the "1+A1" term keeps me from reducing this two two unknowns and two equations. Am I missing something? Is there an implied BC that I'm not seeing?

Thanks
 
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Mr Boom said:

Homework Statement



Given w'' - w = f(x)

w'(0) = 1
w'(1) = 0

Homework Equations



Find the Green's Function

The Attempt at a Solution



The solution to the homogeneous equation is known as:

w(x) = A*exp(-x) + B*exp(x)

For G's function we have:

u(x) = A1*exp(-x) + B*exp(x), u'(0) = 1
v(x) = A2*exp(-x) + B*exp(x), v'(1) = 0

The homogeneous equation is easily solved by plugging in two B.C.s. However, with Green's function we have two equations with two unknowns and one B.C. each. This leaves:

u'(0) = 1 -> B1 = 1 + A1 -> u(x) = A1*exp(-x) + (1+A1)*exp(x)
v'(1) = 0 -> B2 = A2*exp(-2) -> v(x) = A2*exp(-x) + A2*exp(-2)*exp(x)

Since G1 = A(c)*u(x) and G2 = B(c)*v(x), and we have two jump conditions at point c, I don't see how this can be solved. I've done other problems where A(c) and B(c) can be merged with A1 and A2, but the "1+A1" term keeps me from reducing this two two unknowns and two equations. Am I missing something? Is there an implied BC that I'm not seeing?

Thanks

The Green's function is the solution of G_a''(x) - G_a(x) = Delta(x-a), where Delta is the Dirac delta fcn. We can regard G_a as G_a(x) = H(x-a), where H''(x) - H(x) = Delta(x). Don't worry about boundary conditions at x = 0 and x = 1 for now. Since Delta(x) = 0 if x < 0 and if x > 0 we have H''-H=0 on x<0 and on x>0. What happens at x = 0? If we integrate the DE from 0 - h to 0 + h, for small h > 0 we get H'(0+h) - H'(0-h) + O(h) = 1. So, we want: (i) H(x) continuous at x = 0; and (ii) H'(0+)-H'(0-) = 1.

We have H = A1*exp(x)+ B1*exp(-x) for x < 0 and H = A2*exp(x)+B2*exp(-x) for x > 0 we need A1+B1 = A2+B2 [continuity] and A2* - B2* - A1 + B1 = 1 [jump condition]. Now, usually we want a Green's fcn on all of the real line, so we usually impose conditions at +-infinity. Let's assume boundedness. Thus, we have B1 = 0 and A2 = 0. Therefore, we now have A1 = B2 and B2-A1=1, so now we can get A1 and B2. The solution of w''-w = f is w(x) = w_0(x) + integral(H(x-t) f(t) dt, t=-infinity..infinity), and where w_0 is any solution of the homogeneous equation. (Here, you could take f(t) = 0 for t < 0 and t > 1, but if your original f(x) is defined for all x, you could use f on the whole line.) We can choose the constants in w_0 to give the desired boundary conditions.

RGV
 
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Ray,

Thank you for the reply. If it's not too much trouble, could you explain where the w(x)=w_0 + int(...) equation comes from?
 
Mr Boom said:
Ray,

Thank you for the reply. If it's not too much trouble, could you explain where the w(x)=w_0 + int(...) equation comes from?

Sure: the general solution of y'' - y = f is any _particular_ solution plus the solution of the homogeneous DE; this is an absolutely standard result that you should have burned into your soul. The integral involving H is just one particular solution.

RGV
 

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