How Can I Achieve Even Liquid Distribution in My Device?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a liquid transferring device, specifically focusing on achieving even distribution of liquid through multiple outlets. Participants explore the challenges of optimizing inlet pressure and outlet diameters to ensure uniform flow across 96 small outlets from a single inlet.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests looking into literature on "distribution manifolds," noting that while gas systems can neglect viscous pressure variations, water systems must consider frictional pressure variations.
  • Another participant points out that pressure drops will occur as fluid leaks from the outlets, indicating that larger outlets may be necessary to achieve uniform outflow.
  • There is a proposal to modify the design to include a plenum after the inlet, akin to a shower head, to help distribute the flow evenly to the small outlets.
  • A suggestion is made to use a back pressure system to equalize the outlets by placing a sized tip at the end of each line.
  • Questions arise regarding the dimensions and placement of the tips needed for effective distribution.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how a plenum functions and whether smaller outlets would be more effective than larger ones.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the optimal design for achieving even liquid distribution, with no consensus reached on the best approach. There are competing ideas regarding the size of outlets and the use of a plenum.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of modeling fluid flow through multiple small tubes and the potential need for trial and error in the design process. The discussion highlights the importance of considering pressure variations and flow partitioning in the design of the device.

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Liquid Distribution Problem -- please help

Hello guys, I'm a mechanical engineer fresh out the college.
I'm designing a liquid transferring device, and really really need some advice/help.

So, my device right now has one 13mm diameter inlet that divides into twelve 4mm diameter “tubes” which are 77mm long, and the each tube have eight 3mm diameter outlets which are 9mm apart.
Simply put, there is 1 big 13mm inlet that leads to 96 small 3mm outlets.

My problem right now is that I don’t know where to start off to find the optimal inlet pressure/diameter as well as the optimal outlet diameter in order to transfer/distribute water throughout the device evenly. The outlet pressure doesn't matter for my application, but it just needs to dispense the water evenly throughout all the outlets.

How could I approach this problem? Am I just missing a really simple point, or could it be a pretty tough problem? I’m thinking that the first thing that needs to be solved is the optimal pressure needed in order to push the water through 77mm “tube” all the way up to the last (8th) hole.

Thank you so much for your time!

-Guccyi
 
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GuccYi said:
Hello guys, I'm a mechanical engineer fresh out the college.
I'm designing a liquid transferring device, and really really need some advice/help.

So, my device right now has one 13mm diameter inlet that divides into twelve 4mm diameter “tubes” which are 77mm long, and the each tube have eight 3mm diameter outlets which are 9mm apart.
Simply put, there is 1 big 13mm inlet that leads to 96 small 3mm outlets.

My problem right now is that I don’t know where to start off to find the optimal inlet pressure/diameter as well as the optimal outlet diameter in order to transfer/distribute water throughout the device evenly. The outlet pressure doesn't matter for my application, but it just needs to dispense the water evenly throughout all the outlets.

How could I approach this problem? Am I just missing a really simple point, or could it be a pretty tough problem? I’m thinking that the first thing that needs to be solved is the optimal pressure needed in order to push the water through 77mm “tube” all the way up to the last (8th) hole.

Thank you so much for your time!

-Guccyi

Look up in the literature how to design "distribution manifolds." Most distribution manifolds involve gas, for which you can neglect viscous pressure variations. But, for water, you may also need to consider frictional pressure variations. You are basically dealing with a fluid mechanics problem.
 
The tubes are going to experience a pressure drop as the fluid leaks from the outlets, so to get uniform outflow, there needs to be larger outlets as the pressure drops. Also, it is often quite difficult to get flows to partition equally between a lot of little tubes. Not sure that this is easily modeled, it may take trial and error.

Could the design be modified to have a plenum after the inlet sort of like a shower head to feed the 96 small outlets?
 
etudiant said:
The tubes are going to experience a pressure drop as the fluid leaks from the outlets, so to get uniform outflow, there needs to be larger outlets as the pressure drops. Also, it is often quite difficult to get flows to partition equally between a lot of little tubes. Not sure that this is easily modeled, it may take trial and error.

Could the design be modified to have a plenum after the inlet sort of like a shower head to feed the 96 small outlets?
Your use of the term plenum is the same as what I was referring to when I mentioned a distribution manifold. The basic concept in designing distribution manifolds is to make the pressure variations within the manifold small compared to the pressure drops through the outlet tubes. The pressure variations within the manifold can be determined by various approximations or by use of CFD. The pressure drops through the outlet tubes are easier to calculate. One just needs to make the manifold large enough so that the uniformity of flow through the outlets meets specifications.
 
use a back press , this way make all outlet = . By placing a sized tip at the end of all the line .
 
heyland said:
use a back press , this way make all outlet = . By placing a sized tip at the end of all the line .

how long does the tip need to be? Or how long the tip need to be far apart from the wall (ceiling)?
 
Chestermiller said:
Look up in the literature how to design "distribution manifolds." Most distribution manifolds involve gas, for which you can neglect viscous pressure variations. But, for water, you may also need to consider frictional pressure variations. You are basically dealing with a fluid mechanics problem.

where could i find the literature...?
 
etudiant said:
The tubes are going to experience a pressure drop as the fluid leaks from the outlets, so to get uniform outflow, there needs to be larger outlets as the pressure drops. Also, it is often quite difficult to get flows to partition equally between a lot of little tubes. Not sure that this is easily modeled, it may take trial and error.

Could the design be modified to have a plenum after the inlet sort of like a shower head to feed the 96 small outlets?

i could, but I am not quite sure how the plenum works. and wouldn't the outlets need to be smaller, not larger?

Thank you.

-guccyi
 

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