How can I determine right ascension and declination of a star in the sky?

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The discussion focuses on determining the right ascension and declination of the star Antares based on observational data, including geographic location, altitude, and azimuth measurements. Participants explore the necessary calculations and considerations involved in converting these measurements into celestial coordinates.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

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  • One participant provides their geographic coordinates and measurements of Antares, seeking guidance on calculating its celestial coordinates.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for the date and time of the observation, noting that the star's position changes over time.
  • A participant clarifies the observation time and provides a sidereal time conversion, which is relevant for the calculations.
  • One contributor outlines a method for converting altitude and azimuth to right ascension and declination, detailing specific mathematical steps and formulas involved.
  • Another participant suggests that while using formulas is effective, creating a sketch of the celestial sphere can enhance understanding of the coordinate conversion process.

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Participants generally agree on the need for specific observational data (date, time) and the mathematical approach to convert measurements into celestial coordinates. However, there is no consensus on the best method or the necessity of visual aids in the process.

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Some limitations include the dependence on accurate measurements and the specific formulas used for conversion, which may vary. The discussion does not resolve potential discrepancies in the methods proposed.

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I have a location of approximately 35 deg 14' S and 149 deg 4' E, and I have measured the position of the star Antares to be at an altitude of 27 deg 00' using an inclinometer, and direction 247 deg using a compass.

Using this information can I calculate the direction of the star on the celestial sphere in terms of right ascension and declination? Or do I need more information?
 
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You need a date and time during which you made your observation, since the star will move around the sky depending on the time of day, and season (and on the precession of the equinox).
 
Sorry left that part out, the time I took the measurement was at 20:45 on the 25/09/2014, which I think is around 7:01.15 in sidereal time according to an online converter
 
going from AL/Az to RA and Dec is a little more difficult than the other way around

from this site ...

Hour Angle (HA) and Declination (DE) given the Altitude (AL) and Azimuth (AZ) of a star and the observers Latitude (LA) and Longitude (LO)
  1. Convert Azimuth (AZ) and Altitude (AL) to decimal degrees.
  2. Compute sin(DE)=(sin (AL)*sin (LA))+(cos(AL)*cos (LA)*cos (AZ)).
  3. Take the inverse sine of sin(DE) to get the declination.
  4. Compute cos (HA)=(sin (AL)-(sin (LA)*sin(DE)))/(cos (LA)*cos (DE)).
  5. Take the inverse cosine of cos (HA).
  6. Take the sine of AZ. If it is positive then HA=360-HA.
  7. Divide HA by 15. This is the Hour Angle in decimal Hours.
Hour Angle to Right Ascension
  1. Convert Local Sidereal Time and Hour Angle into decimal hours.
  2. Subtract Hour Angle from Local Sidereal Time.
  3. If result is negative add 24.
  4. This is the Right Ascension in decimal hours.

cheers
Dave
 
The fastest way of making that coordinate conversion is to use a web page or a formula. But it's more instructive (and transparent) if you make a sketch of the celestial sphere, such as this one I'm supplying. You still need formulas, but you know what you're doing with them...

The latitude of the place from where you have made the observation is phi (the altitude of the pole). And h is the altitude of the star that you have measured. The angle comprised by the two sides is 180º-a, where a is the azimuth of the star, measured from the south (ZS is the meridian of the place).

At the right side, I've isolated the relevant spherical triangle. You need to find a formula, in the internet or elsewhere, in order to find the side 90º-delta (delta is the declination to be found) for the spherical triangle with two known sides, 90º-h and 90º-phi, and the angle comprised, 180º-a.

Thus, you get the declination delta. Now, you need the right ascension: RA = sidereal time - hour angle. As the three side are now known, you can use another formula to find the angle APZ, comprised between 90º-phi and 90º-delta. Its value is the same as that of side t, the hour angle...

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