How can I evaluate the integral of x/lnx if all methods seem to fail?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the integral \(\int \frac{x}{\ln(x)} dx\). Participants explore various methods and results, including the use of computer algebra systems and special functions, specifically the exponential integral function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in evaluating the integral and mentions a result obtained from Maple, which they question.
  • Another participant challenges the correctness of the Maple result, suggesting it may have misinterpreted the logarithm and proposes that the actual result involves the exponential integral, \(\mbox{Ei}(2\ln(x))\).
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in notation regarding the logarithm and admits unfamiliarity with the exponential integral.
  • Participants explain the definition of the exponential integral function and its relevance to the original integral.
  • One participant reflects on the possibility that the solution to the integral may itself be an integral, raising the question of whether an actual solution exists in elementary functions.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral cannot be expressed in elementary functions but notes that the exponential integral is a recognized standard function in computational tools.
  • There is mention of using approximation techniques for evaluating the integral, although the specifics are not detailed.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the evaluation of the integral. There are competing views regarding the correctness of the results obtained from computational tools and the nature of the solution, with some suggesting it may not exist in elementary form.

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Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of special functions and the implications of the integral's form, indicating a dependence on definitions and unresolved mathematical steps.

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For some reason, I can not seem to evaluate this integral.

\int \frac{x}{ln(x)} dx

When I plug it into maple it says the solution is

\frac{1}{2} \frac{x^2}{ln(x)}

I cannot seem to get it for some reason! I have tried every integration technique in the book. :\
 
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That is not a correct result, as you can check by differentiating. It looks like you accidentally wrote log(y) or something which mathematica treated as a constant, and so it gave you the integral of x. The real result involves the exponential integral,

\mbox{Ei}(2\ln(x))

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+x/ln(x)
 
Mute said:
That is not a correct result, as you can check by differentiating. It looks like you accidentally wrote log(y) or something which mathematica treated as a constant, and so it gave you the integral of x. The real result involves the exponential integral,

\mbox{Ei}(2\ln(x))

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+x/ln(x)

You were right, I forgot to put the parenthesis on the natural logarithm. I haven't learned what an exponential integral is yet. I am currently in Differential Equations but "Ei" doesn't look familiar. :\
 
Xyius said:
You were right, I forgot to put the parenthesis on the natural logarithm. I haven't learned what an exponential integral is yet. I am currently in Differential Equations but "Ei" doesn't look familiar. :\

The Exponential Integral funtion, \mbox{Ei}(x), is a special function defined by

\mbox{Ei}(x) = \int_{-\infty}^x dt~\frac{e^t}{t}

To be fair, this is just obtained by making a change of variables on your original integral; however, this is a special function that should be available in mathematica or matlab, so it is a standard-ish form you can use.
 
Mute said:
The Exponential Integral funtion, \mbox{Ei}(x), is a special function defined by

\mbox{Ei}(x) = \int_{-\infty}^x dt~\frac{e^t}{t}

To be fair, this is just obtained by making a change of variables on your original integral; however, this is a special function that should be available in mathematica or matlab, so it is a standard-ish form you can use.

I did get that form quite a few times when I was trying to solve it. But I stopped at that point because it seemed like a dead end. So would that mean that the solution to the integral is an integral? Would this suggest that there is no actual solution to it? I guess you would use approximation techniques at that point to evaluate it. Am I correct with this assumption?
 
I haven't looked at it closely, but it just looks like the integration by parts using u = x and setting dv as the logarithmic integral.
 
Xyius said:
I did get that form quite a few times when I was trying to solve it. But I stopped at that point because it seemed like a dead end. So would that mean that the solution to the integral is an integral? Would this suggest that there is no actual solution to it? I guess you would use approximation techniques at that point to evaluate it. Am I correct with this assumption?

Your integral is one that can't be expressed in elementary functions. However, while the exponential integral function is still defined as an integral, it is a standard function that is recognized by many computer math systems, and so this form is more useful than the original integral form. The programs will use a variety of techniques to evaluate the function for different regimes of x, but I do not the specific details.
 

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