How Can I Express My Poetry Ideas Effectively?

[holly]

And another thing! I did not put the words "Radio Wave" by my ferret. That is not the ferret's name! I'm going back over to the homework forum where I belong. Maybe the words will just go away, even though THEY CONTAIN A VOWEL RHYME, ahem.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Originally posted by holly
Zooby, you are welcome to construct your own definition of what constitutes a vowel rhyme by piecing together what you find in your web/dictionary travels, but it does not match the poets' definition of a vowel rhyme...and M and N are close enough to be considered alliterative...

I think it's sort of funny to watch people attempt to plug something like poetry or art into the Science Mill.

Reine Knarrischkeit. Do you know the difference between a sweet fool and a bitter fool, nuncle?

 

[holly]

Oh gosh, do I have to hear "fool" EVERYWHERE, even on the boards? The gang members I tutor say "foo'" all the livelong day... everything is FOO' this and FOO' that. I will admit that it's a welcome break from their OTHER favorite word, also beginning with "F"! However, it did give me the idea to put a new slogan on my car (the Christmobile): Be A Foo' For Jesus.

I hope that humorless guy doesn't come along and put a little lock on me! I'm not discussing religion, just making a remark. I hate those little locks!

 

[hypnagogue]

I don't see how the term 'vowel rhyme' is in any way distinct from the term 'assonance.' Assonance is the term usually used to describe the literary device.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Originally posted by hypnagogue
I don't see how the term 'vowel rhyme' is in any way distinct from the term 'assonance.' Assonance is the term usually used to describe the literary device.

The Merriam Webster's defines assonance as:

1: resemblence of sound in words or syllables
2a: relatively close juxtaposition of similar sounds esp. of vowels
b:repetition of vowels without repetition of consonants (as in stony and holy) used as an alternative to rhyme in verse.

So, they are similar, but if you compare with the definition of vowel rhyme the distinctions can be seen.

 

[holly]

Sorry Hyp...

The use of vowel rhyme is exclusively a poetic device, where at the ends of lines or at specific points in the meter, instead of the entire word rhyming, just the vowels are rhymed.

It's not assonance.

What I think is really very interesting and very depressing is that this little discussion went from a discussion and a positive thing, to people trying to turn it into some sort of unpleasant, one-upsmanship sort of thing, and not because they really have an interest in the subject, but rather an interest in showing off, to be blunt. Not correcting something actually incorrect, but scrabbling around on the net to try to find a "fact" so as to disagree with something. You can find anything on the net; I found a Harvard site that said inflated latex balloons have the same pressure inside as out. And found another site, too, that said the same thing. That didn't make it so. Misinformation abounds. But I wasn't trying to take that information to try to prove someone wrong, at least. Just trying to LEARN.

Others KNOW they don't know anything about the subject at hand, but that doesn't stop them from trying to be contrary, just ego running around. In some people's zeal to show me a fool, they might do better to go look in a mirror.

That's how I read it. I've written and studied poetry and worked in the literary field for over 20 years. I'm a published poet and a published writer, not self-published, although there's nothing wrong with that. Have a bachelor's in literature, along with a B.S. in something else. Doesn't make me an expert, but it does give me more than a passing interest in the subject. I run a variety of writers' groups, both in person and online. I have a love of the subject and I'm knowledgeable about it. Doesn't mean I know it all.

And I'm outta here...

 

[hypnagogue]

Chill out. I was just making a point, not trying to one-up anyone or be negative or show off my ego. Jeez Louise.

I also like how you KNOW that I KNOW nothing about the subject. You sure one-upped me on that one.

So far the only thing I've seen that distinguishes vowel rhyme as it's been defined from assonance is that it is used at specific points in a poem whereas assonance can occur anywhere. What does it mean for vowels to rhyme? It means that they are the same or similar vowel sounds, which is what assonance is. If anything, vowel rhyme is just assonance following a certain poetic structure.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Originally posted by hypnagogue
Chill out. I was just making a point, not trying to one-up anyone or be negative or show off my ego. Jeez Louise.

Actually, I don't think any of that was directed at you. I believe Holly was trying to criticize me. She is apparently under the impression I decided to try and find a definition of vowel rhyme that disagreed with hers in order to make her look foolish, instead of simply offering a correction based on the first definitions that google offered.

 

[photon]

Since we're off each other's throats now...

Hey Rathma! (we go way back)

I find it easy to think of a topic I can disscuss a lot about, then come up with words and phrases that express how I feel about the topic, then put them all together and try to throw in some rhymes.
Good?
See you around Rathma.