How Can I Find the Integral of Arcsec(x)dx Using IBP?

  • Context: MHB 
  • Thread starter Thread starter pmg991818
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Antiderivative
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the integral of arcsec(x) dx, specifically using integration by parts (IBP) and various substitution methods. Participants explore different approaches and share their findings, focusing on the mathematical reasoning behind the integration process.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Prakash initially requests assistance with the integral of arcsec(x) dx.
  • Some participants propose using integration by parts, leading to expressions involving x, arcsec(x), and logarithmic terms.
  • One participant notes the derivative of cosh^{-1}(x) and its relationship to the integral, suggesting a connection to the logarithmic form.
  • Another participant describes a substitution method that simplifies the integral to a form involving sec(u) and tan(u), leading to a logarithmic result.
  • There is a discussion about the clarity and ease of evaluating the integral using different methods, with some participants expressing a preference for substitution over IBP.
  • Questions arise regarding the evaluation of integrals involving u sec(u) tan(u) without using IBP, indicating uncertainty about alternative methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods for approaching the integral, but there is no consensus on a single preferred method. Some participants favor integration by parts, while others suggest substitution as a simpler alternative. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to evaluate certain integrals.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical steps and substitutions, but some assumptions and dependencies on definitions are not fully clarified. The discussion includes various forms of the integral and their derivations, which may depend on the context of the problem.

pmg991818
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
Can someone help me with finding the integral of arcsec (x) dx?

Thanks

Prakash
 
Physics news on Phys.org
pmg991818 said:
Can someone help me with finding the integral of arcsec (x) dx?

Thanks

Prakash

Welcome on MHB pmg991818!...

... integrating by parts You obtain...

$\displaystyle \int \sec^{-1} x\ dx = x\ \sec^{-1} x - \int \frac {d x}{\sqrt{x^{2}-1}} = x\ \sec^{-1} x - \ln (\sqrt{x^{2}-1} + x) + c$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
Welcome on MHB pmg991818!...

... integrating by parts You obtain...

$\displaystyle \int \sec^{-1} x\ dx = x\ \sec^{-1} x - \int \frac {d x}{\sqrt{x^{2}-1}} = x\ \sec^{-1} x - \ln (\sqrt{x^{2}-1} + x) + c$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

Thanks chisigma

I will try and work it out. If you able to show it by steps would be appreciated.

Thank you again.
 
pmg991818 said:
Thanks chisigma

I will try and work it out. If you able to show it by steps would be appreciated.

Thank you again.

The essential point is that...

$\displaystyle \frac{d}{d x} \cosh^{-1} x = \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^{2}-1}}\ (1)$

... and that for x>1 is...

$\displaystyle \cosh^{-1} x = \ln (\sqrt{x^{2} - 1} + x)\ (2)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
I used a substitution and IBP:

$$\int\sec^{-1}x\,dx\Leftrightarrow\sec u=x\Rightarrow u\sec u-\int\sec u\,du=u\sec u-\ln\left|\sec u+\tan u\right|+C$$

$$\int\sec^{-1}x\,dx=x\sec^{-1}x-\ln\left|x+\sqrt{x^2-1}\right|+C$$
 
greg1313 said:
I used a substitution and IBP:

$$\int\sec^{-1}x\,dx\Leftrightarrow\sec u=x\Rightarrow u\sec u-\int\sec u\,du=u\sec u-\ln\left|\sec u+\tan u\right|+C$$

$$\int\sec^{-1}x\,dx=x\sec^{-1}x-\ln\left|x+\sqrt{x^2-1}\right|+C$$

Thanks Rido.
 
greg1313 said:
I used a substitution and IBP:

$$\int\sec^{-1}x\,dx\Leftrightarrow\sec u=x\Rightarrow u\sec u-\int\sec u\,du=u\sec u-\ln\left|\sec u+\tan u\right|+C$$

$$\int\sec^{-1}x\,dx=x\sec^{-1}x-\ln\left|x+\sqrt{x^2-1}\right|+C$$

Thanks Greg 1313
 
pmg991818 said:
Thanks Greg 1313

Greg,

I understand that you used IBP - arcsecx as u and dv =dx to get x. Then you have substituted for x sec u so, you get

uv = u sec u - \int sec u du. I presume you used this substitution on the basis of the right-angled triangle where sec u is x/1 giving us sec u = x. After integrating and getting ln absolute sec u + tan u, you have applied the trig substitution to get x = sec u and for tan you have applied \sqrt{x^2 -1} to get xarcsec{x} - ln|x +sqrt{x^2-1}| +C.

A bit easier to evaluate the indefinite integral than doing the whole thing by IBP.

Thank you.

Prakash
 
Then how do you evaluate

$$\int u\sec u\tan u\,du$$

without using IBP?
 
  • #10
greg1313 said:
Then how do you evaluate

$$\int u\sec u\tan u\,du$$

without using IBP?

Not quite sure how the substitution part comes together. Greg, please clarify.
 
  • #11
$$\int\sec^{-1}x\,dx$$

$$\sec u=x,\quad\sec u\tan u\,du=dx$$

So we have

$$\int u\sec u\tan u\,du$$

I think IBP is the most straightforward method to evaluate this integral.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 31 ·
2
Replies
31
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K