How can I find the value of k for the intersection of 3 planes to form a line?

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The discussion revolves around finding the value of k for the intersection of three planes represented by the equations x + 2y - z = 0, x + 9y - 5z = 0, and kx - y + z = 0, such that they intersect in a line. The subject area includes linear algebra and vector geometry.

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the equations through elimination but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach. Some participants suggest rewriting the equations in matrix form and row-reducing to analyze the rank of the augmented matrix. Others question the implications of perpendicularity between lines and planes in a different problem context.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods to approach the problem. There is no explicit consensus on the best method yet, but some guidance has been offered regarding matrix representation and the relationship between lines and planes.

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Participants are navigating multiple problems, which may lead to some confusion regarding the application of concepts across different contexts. The original poster has expressed a lack of clarity on how to proceed with their attempts.

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Homework Statement



Find value of k so that
x+2y-z=0
x+9y-5z=0
kx-y+z=0
intersect in a line

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


multiply l1 by 5
subtract l2 from 5l1
end up with:
4x+y=0

subtract l1 from l2
end up with:
7y-4z=0

i have no idea what to do from here, or even if what i did was correct.
thanks for the help.
 
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Rewrite it in maxtrix form and row-reduce until echelon form is obtained. For the planes to intersect in a line, then when you reduce in echelon form, the rank of the augmented matrix should be less than 3 (the number of variables)
 
ahh thank you.

i have another problem:

Find the vector equation of the plane through A(1,-7,-2) and perpendicular to line (5,0,0)+t(2,0,7)

i have parametric equations of the line
x=5+t
y=0
z=7t

what do i do from here?
 
If the line is perpendicular to the plane, what can you say about the normal to the plane and the line?
 
line is normal to the plane?
 
ok, i found took the vector from 5,0,0 from 1,-7,-2

i made the z component of the vector 0

then knowing that the dot product of the line and a vector of the plane is 0, i found the component of z of a vector of the plane which would make it perpendicular to the line

is that possible?
 
choob said:
line is normal to the plane?

Yes, so for a vector line in the for r=a+tu, where u is the direction of the line.

In your example u=<2,0,7>, if the lines is perpendicular to the plane, then so is the direction.

So if the direction (u) is normal to the plane, doesn't that mean that the vector u is parallel to the normal?
 
absolutely
 
choob said:
absolutely

so if it is parellel to the plane then

Q<2,0,7> would be a normal to this plane. Pick any non-zero value for Q, and you'll get the normal to the plane,N. When you get that, use the formule

(\vec{r}-\vec{r_0})\cdot \vec{N}=0

Where \vec{N} is the normal vector and r_0 is a point on the plane (which you were given in the question).
 
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what is the other r in the question?
 
  • #11
choob said:
what is the other r in the question?

that is just <x,y,z>

so that for the point <x0,y0,z0>

\vec{r}- \vec{r_0} = &lt;(x-x_0),(y-y_0),(z-z_0)&gt;
 
  • #12
thank you.

i have another question:
find a vector equation of the line through the point 4,5,5

that meets the line: (x-11)/3=y+8=z-4

i don't even know where to start on this one.

perhaps i do the same thing as before?

find the vector between 4,5,5 and the point on the line when t=0? (starting point?)
then set one of the components to 0 and use the dot product formula?
 
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  • #13
choob said:
thank you.

i have another question:



find a vector equation of the line through the point 4,5,5

that meets the line: (x-11)/3=y+8=z-4

i don't even know where to start on this one.

For a vector line written in the form

\frac{x-a}{p} = \frac{y-b}{q}= \frac{z-c}{r}

What does <a,b,c> represent and what does <p,q,r> represent?
 
  • #14
-a, -b, -c is a point
p, q, r are components in the x, y, z axis
 
  • #15
choob said:
-a, -b, -c is a point
Good
choob said:
p, q, r are components in the x, y, z axis

<p,q,r> would be the direction of the line.
 
  • #16
haha where do i go from there then? btw is my process that i edited in at 2:27 am correct?
 

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