How can I find Y from two equations WITHOUT using X?

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of finding the variable Y from two equations involving X, without directly using X in the final expression. The context includes algebraic manipulation and rearrangement of equations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two equations and seeks to eliminate X to express Y solely in terms of other variables.
  • Another participant corrects the formulation of Y and suggests starting over to rearrange the equations for X instead.
  • A different participant proposes rewriting the first equation to express X in terms of Y, W, and Z.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the manipulation of the equations and the implications of the rearrangement.
  • Another participant derives an expression for Y in terms of mg, cos(W), and tan(Z) after substituting X from the first equation into the second.
  • A later reply acknowledges the derived expression as the desired outcome, indicating satisfaction with the solution process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial approach to eliminate X, as there are differing suggestions on how to manipulate the equations. However, there is agreement on the final expression derived for Y.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the non-zero values of cos(Z) and the implications of algebraic manipulation, which are not fully explored or resolved.

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How can I find Y from two equations WITHOUT using X:

(1) Xcos(Z) - Ycos(W) = 0

(2) Xsin(Z) + Ysin(W) - mg = 0

Now I have found out that

Y = Xcos(Z) / cos(W) and also

Y = mg - Xsin(Z) / sin(W)

How can I eliminate X from these two equations ??

Me algebra isn't good...
 
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I hope you meant

Y = (mg - Xsin(Z)) / sin(W)

the extra brackets are important!

It's easy to eliminate Y from the two equations you got.

Xcos(Z) / cos(W) = (mg - Xsin(Z)) / sin(W)

But you wanted to eliminate X, not Y. So start again and rearrange the two equations as

X = ...

not as Y = ...
 
Rewrite your first equation as:
Xcos(z)=Ycos(w)

Does any bell ring for you?
Some manipulation you may make to solve for X, in terms of Y, w and z?
 
Well, I'm trying to eliminate X frome (1) and (2) so I can solve Y in terms of anything BUT X.

I'm sorry but Xcos(z)=Ycos(w) doesn't ring any bell for me
 
Well, as long as Cos(z) does not equal 0, we have:
[tex]X=Y\frac{\cos(w)}{\cos(z)}[/tex]

Thus, inserting this on the X's place in your second equation, you get:
[tex]Y\cos(w)\tan(z)+Y\sin(w)=mg[/tex]
whereby you get:
[tex]Y=\frac{mg}{\cos(w)\tan(z)+\sin(w)}[/tex]
 
Ok! That was the simple rule I was looking for! Ycos(w)/cos(z) = Ycos(w)tan(z)

Thank you very much!
 

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