How Can I Graph Hubble Term vs. Inflaton Using Mathematica?

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of graphing the Hubble term (H) against the inflaton field (φ) using Mathematica. Participants explore the necessary equations and relationships, particularly focusing on the differential equations involved in cosmological models, including the Friedmann equations and the Klein-Gordon equation. The scope includes theoretical aspects of cosmology and mathematical modeling.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that to graph H vs. φ, it is essential to solve the differential equation for φ(t), requiring additional equations beyond the initial one provided.
  • There is a suggestion to use the second Friedmann equation to address the unknown function of time present in the equations.
  • Some participants express the difficulty of eliminating the time derivative from the equations, emphasizing the importance of the dynamics of the field.
  • One participant proposes defining Hubble time (t_H = H^{-1}) to simplify the problem into an ordinary differential equation (ODE) suitable for numerical methods in Mathematica.
  • Another participant introduces the Klein-Gordon equation, noting that in warm inflation scenarios, it includes a dissipation term (Γ) that complicates the analysis.
  • There is a discussion about finding the relationship between the tensor to scalar ratio (r) and the dissipation term (Γ), with references to the Hubble slow roll parameter (ε) and its dependence on H, φ, and φ̇.
  • One participant seeks assistance in using Mathematica to solve for H under varying dissipation terms, indicating limited familiarity with the software.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to solve differential equations to understand the relationship between H and φ, but there are multiple competing views on how to approach this problem, particularly regarding the inclusion of various terms and equations. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on a single method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their current approach, including the need for additional equations to resolve the unknowns and the complexity introduced by the dissipation term in warm inflation scenarios. The discussion reflects a reliance on specific definitions and assumptions that may not be universally accepted.

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From cosmology,

##H^2 = \frac{ρ}{3M_p^2} = \frac{1}{3M_p^2}(½\dot φ^2 + ½m^2φ^2)##

Suppose ##V(φ) = ½m^2φ^2##

where
##ρ## = density
##M_p## = Planck mass

I want to graph ##H## vs. ##φ## but there is a ##\dot φ## and I know this is a differential equation, can somebody help me what to do here?
 
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shinobi20 said:
From cosmology,

##H^2 = \frac{ρ}{3M_p^2} = \frac{1}{3M_p^2}(½\dot φ^2 + ½m^2φ^2)##

Suppose ##V(φ) = ½m^2φ^2##

where
##ρ## = density
##M_p## = Planck mass

I want to graph ##H## vs. ##φ## but there is a ##\dot φ## and I know this is a differential equation, can somebody help me what to do here?
The only way is to solve the differential equation so that you know ##\phi(t)##. For that, you'll need more than just this equation, as you have an unknown function of time on both sides of the equation. You'd need to make use of a second equation, possibly the second Friedmann equation, to resolve the discrepancy.
 
Chalnoth said:
The only way is to solve the differential equation so that you know ##\phi(t)##. For that, you'll need more than just this equation, as you have an unknown function of time on both sides of the equation. You'd need to make use of a second equation, possibly the second Friedmann equation, to resolve the discrepancy.

I was hoping to get rid of ##\dot φ## but it seems I can't find any relationship for that. If I'm to use the second Friedmann equation,
##\frac{\ddot a}{a} = -\frac{1}{6M_p^2}(ρ+3p)~~~~~~~~~ ^*~H = \frac{\dot a}{a}~~→~~\dot H = \frac{\ddot a}{a} - (\frac{\dot a}{a})^2~~→~~\dot H = \frac{\ddot a}{a} - H^2##

##\dot H + H = -\frac{1}{6M_p^2}(ρ+3p)##

The problem is the form of ##ρ## and ##p##. For warm inflation, should I consider ##ρ = ρ_λ + ρ_r## and ##p = p_λ + p_r##? Given that ##p_λ = -ρ_λ## and ##p_r = \frac{1}{3}ρ_r##
 
You cannot get rid of the time derivative in favour of other quantities. That would remove the dynamics of the field itself.

In some cases, like slow-roll inflation, you can neglect the kinetic term in the energy, but it is still there.
 
Orodruin said:
You cannot get rid of the time derivative in favour of other quantities. That would remove the dynamics of the field itself.

In some cases, like slow-roll inflation, you can neglect the kinetic term in the energy, but it is still there.
Yes, that's why I'd like to solve the DE exactly but there is an ##H^2## in front which is also a variable.
 
Chalnoth said:
The only way is to solve the differential equation so that you know ##\phi(t)##. For that, you'll need more than just this equation, as you have an unknown function of time on both sides of the equation. You'd need to make use of a second equation, possibly the second Friedmann equation, to resolve the discrepancy.
If I define ##t_H = H^{-1}## (Hubble time) then it would be just an ODE so I could use the typical numerical calculation in Mathematica?
 
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Have you considered the Klein-Gordon equation?
$$ \ddot{\phi}+3H\dot{\phi}+\dfrac{dV}{d\phi}=0$$
 
MinasKar said:
Have you considered the Klein-Gordon equation?
$$ \ddot{\phi}+3H\dot{\phi}+\dfrac{dV}{d\phi}=0$$
That would be the case in typical inflationary scenario but in warm inflation KG equation would be modified to

##\ddot{\phi}+(3H + Γ)\dot{\phi}+\dfrac{dV}{d\phi}=0##

There is an extra dissipation term ##Γ##, which I would also need later, so that is also a problem.
Basically, I want to find the relationship of the tensor to scalar ratio ##r## with the ##Γ## dissipation term by the theoretical result ##r = 16ε## where ##ε## is the Hubble slow roll parameter, but from the equations I can see, ##H##, ##φ##, and ##\dot φ## are in the way since ##ε = -\frac{\dot H}{H^2}## so I think I can numerically calculate ##H## in terms of ##φ## in order to get different values of H to again numerically calculate ##r## in terms of ##H##.
 
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I can only think of two equations that I can use to get the behavior of ##H## in terms of ##\phi## for various dissipation term ##\Gamma##,

$$\ddot{\phi}+3H\dot{\phi}+\dfrac{dV}{d\phi}=0 ,\quad H^2 = \frac{1}{6M_p^2}(\dot φ^2 + m^2φ^2)$$

Can anyone help me figure out how can I use mathematica to solve ##H## for different ##\Gamma##? I only have basic knowledge of mathematica.
 

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