How Can I Maintain a Backup PC That Goes Unused for Long Periods?

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The discussion revolves around the maintenance and care of backup PCs that are not frequently used. Participants explore various strategies to ensure these computers remain functional over long periods of inactivity, touching on issues related to hardware preservation, battery management, and software updates.

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  • Some participants suggest storing PCs in cool, dry areas with low dust and turning them on occasionally to prevent failure.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of removing batteries and storing them separately, recommending the use of desiccants and keeping the device in an airtight bag.
  • Concerns are raised about hard drives potentially failing if not exercised, as well as the need for regular updates to protect against cybersecurity threats.
  • There is a discussion about the risks associated with updating modern computers, including the potential for malware during the update process.
  • Some participants mention the phenomenon of leaking capacitors as a common source of failure in electronics, questioning whether keeping devices off might reduce this risk.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the relevance of capacitor leakage to PCs, prompting further inquiry into the issue.
  • Another participant suggests that the retro tech community might have insights into maintaining older systems, including methods for testing and re-forming capacitors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints on the best practices for maintaining unused PCs, with no clear consensus on the most effective methods. Some agree on certain maintenance tips, while others raise concerns or alternative perspectives, particularly regarding the risks of updates and hardware failures.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various assumptions about the principles of electronics maintenance, such as the effects of temperature on component longevity and the implications of keeping devices powered on versus off. There is also a recognition of the limitations in understanding older technology and its maintenance.

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Curious as to needed upkeep to prevent unused PCs from deteriorating.
Hi All,
I was reading about how to go about the upkeep of cars that are rarely used , e.g. stored long-term in a garage and wondered about similar issues with PCs, laptops actually. Specifically, I keep one as a backup just in case and it goes unused for long periods. A search did not provide much clarity, besides, difficult to know the expertise level of the writer. Any suggestions?
 
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I would think keeping them in a cool dry area low in dust would be best. Also turning them on once in awhile might help. I don't know the principle but it always appears to me that electronics not used in a long time tend to fail once turned back on.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
I would think keeping them in a cool dry area low in dust would be best. Also turning them on once in awhile might help. I don't know the principle but it always appears to me that electronics not used in a long time tend to fail once turned back on.
It seems so in my case. Nasty, blurry screen for around 20 min, then I breathed again when it came back. Stat!, Hold the screen firm and try to access event viewer! Pretty dramatic. Good thing it ultimately settled and it is working.
 
Remove batteries (main battery and that little coin cell too) and store them separately.
Put it in an airtight bag with some desiccant. Keep it in a cool place (but above freezing point, of course).
Start it up regularly - once in every month or two.
If it is a spare one then keep it at minimal hardware by default.
 
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Drives can fail if not exercised to keep the lubricant from drying out.

Computers also need updates to protect against emerging threats.
 
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Forgot to mention fans also.
 
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jedishrfu said:
Forgot to mention fans also.
Hey, I am a fan...just not that type of fan ;).
 
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Keep a charge in the batteries, dead ones tend to stay that way. The sweet spot is 40% for Li-Ion. Ni-Cd and Ni-MH can be stored discharged but around 40% is slightly preferred, I've had some Ni-Cd that were stored discharged refuse to take a charge.

There is more than you want to know at:
https://batteryuniversity.com/search/search&keywords=Li+polymer+storage/
https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batterieshttps://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_store_batteries
 
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Thanks. I try to combine searches with more "Real life" input, specially given the number of extremely well-qualified people in PF.
 
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jedishrfu said:
Computers also need updates to protect against emerging threats.
Modern computers yes. But it trades one kind of risk for another. Cybersecurity people keep reminding us that corrupting the update process to inject malware is a very real threat. It is analogous to key distribution vulnerabilities in encryption.

Actually, pre-Internet era computers can be even more secure. They can't be updated with malware. They have no network connection. Physical access is required to threaten them.

But we also lose the understanding of ancient machines and the ability to re-analyze them for new threats. We found that during Y2K. Some systems were so old that nobody remembered what their purpose was or how they worked. Hackers would be just as powerless as owners. They had to be presumed insecure and discarded.

It reminds me of the Spy Verus Spy column in Mad Magazine.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
I don't know the principle but it always appears to me that electronics not used in a long time tend to fail once turned back on.

But you don't know that it wouldn't have failed had it been on all that time.

A common source of failure is leaking capacitors. If anything, that will have a lower failure rate if kept off (because they are cooler).
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
But you don't know that it wouldn't have failed had it been on all that time.

A common source of failure is leaking capacitors. If anything, that will have a lower failure rate if kept off (because they are cooler).
This is helpful in general, thanks, but not for PCs.
 
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Why is this not helpful for PCs?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Why is this not helpful for PCs?
Most likely my ignorance in this are.Do PC capacitors leak? I never seen it happen and I assumed without much basis that this is representative.
 
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Sure. Ever have a power supply go out on you? That's usually why. The other reason is that the fan seized.
 
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Hmm. I suppose 'classic' PCs are shading into 'legacy computing' country...

IIRC, the 'retro tech' community --Computing, 'Ham' and HiFi-- may be able to suggest guidelines on eg testing / re-forming electrolytic capacitors without escape of 'Magic Smoke' or boiling electrolyte...

( IIRC, Apple ][ community 'wrote the book' on this... )

May I suggest eg disconnecting modular power supply and testing it with a 'PSU testing widget' then a 'dummy load' ? Then trying the mobo without drives ??
In effect, you're doing as we did with our wary home-builds...

Also, replacing the CMOS battery may prove problematic, as not all makers fitted them via a clip...
;-(
 

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