How can I prove factorial equations involving difficult questions b and c?

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The discussion revolves around proving factorial equations related to combinatorial identities, specifically involving the binomial coefficients represented as "n choose k." Participants are addressing questions b and c from a set of problems that seem to involve misunderstandings about the identities and their formulations.

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  • Participants are exploring the validity of the expressions given in the problems, particularly questioning the correctness of the formulation in question b. There are suggestions to expand and rearrange terms in question c to facilitate proof. Some participants also propose using known combinatorial identities to approach the problems.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the interpretations of the problems. There is a recognition of differing views on the correctness of the statements in question b, and some guidance has been offered on how to approach question c through common denominators and rearrangement.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the formulation of question b, with some participants asserting it is written correctly while others disagree. The discussion also references established combinatorial identities, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problems presented.

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number 15 questions b and c are giving me a very hard time. I have tried expanding them then factoring out the common terms but somehow not getting it to be proven. detailed help will be appreciated.
 

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I don't think factoring is the right answer.
Are you sure that (b) is written correctly? n choose k is equal to n choose (n-k) normally, so I don't see how the sum could be.

For (c), try writing it out and rearranging.

##\frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} + \frac{n!}{(k-1)!(n-(k-1))!}##
And you want this to be equal to:
##\frac{n+1!}{k!((n+1)-k)!}##

**edit** You should try to make a common denominator to add the fractions. If you do this carefully and correctly, the right answer pops right out.
 
RUber said:
I don't think factoring is the right answer.
Are you sure that (b) is written correctly? n choose k is equal to n choose (n-k) normally, so I don't see how the sum could be.

For (c), try writing it out and rearranging.

##\frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} + \frac{n!}{(k-1)!(n-(k-1))!}##
And you want this to be equal to:
##\frac{n+1!}{k!((n+1)-k)!}##

**edit** You should try to make a common denominator to add the fractions. If you do this carefully and correctly, the right answer pops right out.
yes b) is written correctly
 
Just to be sure,
(b) says: Show that n choose k + n choose (k-1) = n choose (n-k) ?
That is straight wrong.
n choose k = n choose (n-k). This is clear from the formula factorial representation.
And n choose k + n choose (k-1) = (n+1) choose k, as in (c).
 
tesha said:
yes b) is written correctly

I haven't read your question (since I don't read attachments), but I assume from what RUber has written that you want to show ##{}_nC_k + {}_nC_{k-1} = {}_nC_{n-k}##. As RUber has indicated, that is wrong. Try it for yourself: set n = 4, k = 2 and see what happens.

The several-century-old Passcal triangle formula says that ##{}_n C _k + {n}C_{k-1} = {}_{n+1} C _k##. Again, post #2# shows you one way you can do it; another way is to start from ##(1+x)^n = \sum_{k=0}^n {}_nC_k x^k##, then write ##(1+x)^{n+1}## in two ways: one way is to use the previous expansion with ##n+1## in place of ##n##, and the other is to write it as ##(1+x) (1+x)^n##, use the expansion for the second factor, then gather together powers of ##x##.
 
tesha said:
yes b) is written correctly
From the text before and after b) in the attachment, it is very clear to me that b) ought to read "show that nCk=nCn-k."
 
I wonder if @tesha is still working on this.
If so, then I am sure the correction haruspex suggests will help. That interpretation for (b) will also be reinforced by (d), which looks to be a direct application of that rule.
 

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