How can I prove this limit does not exist?

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The discussion revolves around the limit of a function of two variables as it approaches the point (1,1). The original poster expresses confusion regarding the existence of the limit, as their calculations suggest a limit of 1, while the textbook states that the limit does not exist.

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  • Participants explore different approaches to evaluating the limit, including setting x equal to y and considering various paths of approach to the point (1,1). Questions arise about the validity of using L'Hospital's Rule and the implications of approaching along different paths.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining various paths to evaluate the limit and questioning the assumptions behind the textbook's assertion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the complexity of two-variable limits compared to single-variable limits.

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There is a mention that the function is not defined for y = 1, which may affect the evaluation of the limit along certain paths. Participants are also considering the implications of approaching the limit from different directions, highlighting the nuances involved in proving the limit's existence.

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Homework Statement
$$lim \frac {xy -1} {y-1} as (x,y) -> (1,1)$$
Relevant Equations
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If I set x = 1, I can cancel out y-1 and get limit = 1
Now if I approach from the x-axis the numerator will be smaller or bigger than the denominator, but how would you prove that that does not result in 1 when you reach (x,y) = (1,1)?

TL;DR: Textbook says limit does not exist, but I obviously found a limit and can't find any way of not reaching that limit.
 
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You can now set x=y and get a different limit. To prove that limit, can you use L'Hospital's Rule?
 
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Addez123 said:
Homework Statement:: $$lim \frac {xy -1} {y-1} as (x,y) -> (1,1)$$
Relevant Equations:: None

If I set x = 1, I can cancel out y-1 and get limit = 1
Now if I approach from the x-axis the numerator will be smaller or bigger than the denominator, but how would you prove that that does not result in 1 when you reach (x,y) = (1,1)?

TL;DR: Textbook says limit does not exist, but I obviously found a limit and can't find any way of not reaching that limit.
These two-variable limits can be a lot trickier than single-variable limits. With the latter, all you need to do is to show that the limit exists whether you approach from the left or from the right. If the limit from either direction fails to exist, or if you get different one-sided limits, the two-sided limit doesn't exist.
With limits of functions of two variables, you need to show that the limit exists along any path, straight line, curved, whatever. If you get different values on different paths, or the limit doesn't exist along some path, the limit doesn't exist.
FactChecker said:
To prove that limit, can you use L'Hospital's Rule?
The limit you described can be evaluated without the use of L'Hopital.
 
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Addez123 said:
Homework Statement:: $$lim \frac {xy -1} {y-1} as (x,y) -> (1,1)$$
Relevant Equations:: None

If I set x = 1, I can cancel out y-1 and get limit = 1
Now if I approach from the x-axis the numerator will be smaller or bigger than the denominator, but how would you prove that that does not result in 1 when you reach (x,y) = (1,1)?

TL;DR: Textbook says limit does not exist, but I obviously found a limit and can't find any way of not reaching that limit.
And what do you get for ##x=\dfrac{n-1}{n}\, , \,y=\dfrac{n}{n-1}##?
 
Edit: Or fix x=1 and approach along (1,y), then along (x,x). Much trickier to show limit actually exists.
 
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WWGD said:
Or fix y=1 and approach along (x,1), then along (x,x). Much trickier to show limit actually exists.
The function is not defined for ##y = 1##.
 

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