How Can I Visualize a $\pi/2$ Rotation About $(1,1,0)^t$ in $\mathbb{R}^3$?

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The discussion revolves around visualizing a rotation in three-dimensional space, specifically a $\pi/2$ rotation about the axis defined by the vector $(1,1,0)^t$. Participants explore intuitive methods to understand this rotation without relying on formal mathematical formulas or matrix operations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in visualizing the rotation and seeks intuitive understanding rather than mathematical derivation.
  • Another participant suggests that the rotation matrix should keep the axis invariant, proposing that $A(1,1,0)^t=(1,1,0)^t$ instead of the initially considered $A(1,1,0)^t=(-1,1,0)^t$.
  • A method to find a third vector perpendicular to both the rotation axis and the vector (-1,1,0) is proposed, using the cross product to yield (0,0,2).
  • Equations are presented to describe the relationships between the vectors after rotation, leading to a system of equations to solve for the rotation matrix A.
  • One participant shares a visual representation created using the TikZ package to aid in understanding the rotation.
  • Another participant notes that the vector (-1,1,0) is rotated onto the positive z-axis, which is then rotated to (1,-1,0), highlighting the transformation involved in the rotation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact formulation of the rotation matrix or the best approach to visualize the rotation. Multiple viewpoints and methods are presented, indicating ongoing exploration and debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the properties of the rotation matrix and the vectors involved, leading to different interpretations of the problem. The discussion includes incomplete mathematical steps and relies on visual aids for clarification.

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I am trying to visualize the following rotation of $\mathbb R^3$, but it is very difficult. I want to get the answer by intuition, and not by using the Rodrigues rotation formula or conjugation of matrices, etc.

Help please.

**Problem statement:** Determine the matrix that represents the following rotation of $\mathbb R^3$: an angle of $\pi/2$ about the fixed axis containing the vector $(1,1,0)^t$

Here is what I have tried in my diagram:

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Should I find a 3x3 rotation matrix $A$ such that $A(1,1,0)^t=(-1,1,0)^t$?

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kalish said:
Should I find a 3x3 rotation matrix $A$ such that $A(1,1,0)^t=(-1,1,0)^t$?

The axis is invariant, so that should be $A(1,1,0)^t=(1,1,0)^t$ instead.

You already found a perpendicular vector (-1,1,0).
You need a 3rd vector that is perpendicular to both the axis and this one, completing an orthogonal set.
And more specifically, a vector that "turns" in the right direction.
You can find it by calculating the cross product of (1,1,0) and (-1,1,0), yielding (0,0,2).

That gives you the set of equations (note that the vectors must have equal lengths):
$$A(1,1,0)^t=(1,1,0)^t$$
$$A(-1,1,0)^t=(0,0,\sqrt 2)^t$$
$$A(0,0,\sqrt 2)^t=(1,-1,0)^t$$

Or in matrix form:
$$A \begin{bmatrix}
1 & -1 & 0 \\
1 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & \sqrt 2
\end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 & 1 \\
1 & 0 & -1 \\
0 & \sqrt 2 & 0
\end{bmatrix}$$
Solve for A.
This is easiest to do by performing matrix operations on the right that execute a gaussian elimination, ending up with an identity matrix on the left and the actual A matrix on the right.
That is, subtract multiples of one column from another, both left and right.
And swap columns, both left and right.
 
Here is a picture.

rotation.png


It is done using TikZ package 3dplot.
 
Perhaps noteworthy for visualization is that (-1,1,0) is rotated onto the positive z-axis,
which is in turn rotated to (1,-1,0).
 

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