How Can Massless Photons Be Affected by Gravity in Black Holes?

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The discussion centers on the interaction of massless photons with gravity, particularly in the context of black holes and general relativity (GR). Participants explore the implications of photons being massless and how they can still be influenced by gravitational fields, especially within the framework of curved spacetime.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that black holes (BH) exhibit extreme gravitational effects, particularly within the Schwarzschild Radius, where traditional physics may not apply.
  • Another participant explains that photons, despite being massless, possess momentum and can follow geodesics in curved spacetime, indicating that gravity in GR is not a force in the Newtonian sense.
  • A further contribution emphasizes that in GR, mass has a specific technical definition, and while photons are massless, they still contribute to the overall mass of a system due to their energy and momentum.
  • Another participant reiterates that gravity interacts with energy, pressure, and momentum, not just mass, thus allowing photons to interact with gravitational fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple perspectives on how massless photons interact with gravity, with no consensus reached on the implications of these interactions within the framework of general relativity.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of defining mass in the context of general relativity and the nuances of how energy and momentum contribute to gravitational interactions, without resolving these technical aspects.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying general relativity, black hole physics, or the nature of light and its interactions with gravity.

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From reading various articles my understanding is that BH are gravitationally extreme - although from a distance they are gravitationally the same as any other object it is inside the Schwarzschild Radius EH where BH's differ from other large masses.

The "singularity" is the point at which current physics fails to offer theoretical proofs as the singularity mathematically moves towards infinity.


My question is this:

If photons are bosonic particles, how can they be affected by Gravity, assuming they are massless?
 
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There is a momentum associated with moving photons and they can be affected by arbitrarily curved space - times. They start moving along the geodesics of the curvature; remember gravity isn't really the same "force" kind of entity in GR as it was in Newton's framework.
 
Cosmo Novice said:
If photons are bosonic particles, how can they be affected by Gravity, assuming they are massless?

GR describes gravity as curvature of spacetime. Any sufficiently small particle (massive or massless) traveling through a curved spacetime moves along a geodesic, which means a "line" that is as straight as possible.

Another thing to realize is that "mass" has a specialized technical meaning in relativity; it means [itex]m=\sqrt{E^2-p^2}[/itex] (in units where c=1). When we say that a photon is massless, that's what we mean. But mass in GR doesn't have all the properties you might think. For example, mass isn't additive. For example, a box full of photons has a nonzero contribution to its mass coming from the photons, even though the photons individually have zero mass.
 
Cosmo Novice said:
If photons are bosonic particles, how can they be affected by Gravity, assuming they are massless?
Gravity responds to energy, pressure, momentum, and shear, not just mass. Photons have energy, pressure, and momentum, and so interact with gravitational fields.
 
Thanks for your answers
 

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