How Can Norm Integration Address Inequality?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical exploration of an inequality involving the norm of a function's derivative, specifically addressing the conditions under which the inequality holds or fails. Participants are examining the implications of varying the parameter tau in the context of norm integration and its potential relationship to inequality.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the original question and seeks different perspectives.
  • Another participant presents a mathematical inequality involving the norm of the derivative of a function and discusses the conditions under which it holds, noting that it fails for certain values of tau.
  • A follow-up post indicates that the inequality has been proven incorrect using the Riemann integration rule and questions whether modifying the left-hand side by multiplying it with tau could yield a valid inequality in some domain.
  • A subsequent post suggests considering the case where tau is constrained between 0 and 1 to explore the validity of the inequality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the inequality or the implications of modifying it. Multiple competing views remain regarding the conditions under which the inequality may hold.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions about tau and the definitions of the functions involved, as well as the unresolved nature of the mathematical exploration.

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Readers interested in mathematical inequalities, norm integration, and the conditions affecting the validity of such inequalities may find this discussion relevant.

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I am struggling with this question. I need a different perspective. Any recommendation is appreciated.
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What exactly is the question? I see
[tex] \|\dot f(t)\|^2 \leq \int_{t-\tau}^t \|\dot f(\theta)\|^2\,\mathrm{d}\theta[/tex]
with [itex]\tau \neq 0[/itex].

The inequality does not hold for all [itex]\tau > 0[/itex] unless [itex]\|\dot f(t)\| = 0[/itex], since the right hand side can be made arbitrarily small by taking [itex]\tau > 0[/itex] sufficiently small.

The inequality does not hold for any [itex]\tau < 0[/itex] unless [itex]\|\dot f(\theta)\|[/itex] vanishes identically on [itex](t,t+|\tau|)[/itex] and [itex]\|\dot f(t)\| = 0[/itex], since otherwise the right hand side is non-positive ([itex]\int_{t+|\tau|}^t = -\int_{t}^{t + |\tau|}[/itex]) and the left hand side is non-negative.
 
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Follow up question

Thanks pasmith,

Yeah, by using definition of Riemann integration rule I already proved that the inequality is wrong. I tried to find a domain in which the inequality holds; however, there is no such domain.

How about we multiply only left-hand side with τ (tau)? Will this inequality be hold in some domain? What do you think?
 
what if 0<tau<1 ?
 

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