How Can One Show That a Given Example is Not a Submodule?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a specific example is not a submodule, as part of an exercise from "Abstract Algebra" by Dummit and Foote. The focus is on the properties of modules over the ring $\mathbb{Z}_{6}$ and the characteristics of torsion elements within that context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Peter seeks assistance with Exercise 8(b) from Section 10.1 of "Abstract Algebra," specifically asking for an example that demonstrates a non-submodule.
  • Some participants suggest considering the ring $\mathbb{Z}_{6}$ as a potential example.
  • Peter discusses the torsion elements in the module $M = R = \mathbb{Z}_{6}$, noting that $\overline{2}$ and $\overline{3}$ are torsion elements, while their sum $\overline{5}$ is not, leading to the conclusion that the torsion set does not satisfy additive closure.
  • Participants provide feedback on Peter's reasoning, affirming his approach and noting the limitations of using fields for counterexamples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of Peter's conclusion, but participants generally support his reasoning and suggest further considerations regarding the choice of examples.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of torsion elements and the structure of modules over non-prime rings, which may not be universally applicable without further clarification.

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I am reading Dummit and Foote's book: "Abstract Algebra" (Third Edition) ...

I am currently studying Chapter 10: Introduction to Module Theory ... ...

I need some help with an Exercise 8(b) of Section 10.1 ...

Exercise 8 of Section 10.1 reads as follows:

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/8312Can someone please show me an example as requested in Part (b) of the above exercise ... and demonstrate that the given example is not a submodule ...

Peter
 
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Hi Peter,

Try thinking about $\mathbb{Z}_{6}$ and see what you can come up with.
 
GJA said:
Hi Peter,

Try thinking about $\mathbb{Z}_{6}$ and see what you can come up with.
Thanks GJA ...

OK ... then consider the ring $$R = \mathbb{Z}_{6} \equiv \mathbb{Z} / 6 \mathbb{Z} = \{ \overline{0}, \overline{1}, \overline{2}, \overline{3}, \overline{4}, \overline{5} \}
$$ ...

... and consider $$M = R$$ as a left module over itself ...Now $$\overline{2}$$ is a nonzero element of $$R$$ ...

So, now $$\overline{3} \in M$$ is torsion since there exists a nonzero element, namely $$\overline{2} \in R $$ such that $$\overline{2} \cdot \overline{3} = \overline{0}
$$
That is $$\overline{3} \in \text{Tor} (M)$$ ...Similarly we have $$\overline{3}$$ is a nonzero element of $$R$$ ...

So, now $$\overline{2} \in M$$ is torsion since there exists a nonzero element, namely $$\overline{3} \in R$$ such that $$\overline{3} \cdot \overline{2} = \overline{0}$$

That is $$\overline{2} \in \text{Tor} (M)$$ ...
But ... $$\overline{2} + \overline{3} = \overline{5} \notin \text{Tor} (M)$$ ... ...

Therefore, $$\text{Tor} (M)$$ does not satisfy additive closure ...

So ... $$\text{Tor} (M)$$ is not a submodule of M ...Is the above correct? ... ...Thanks again for the suggestion ...

Peter
 
Hi Peter,

Nicely done! Quick note on where the idea for considering $\mathbb{Z}_{6}$ came from: Trying to use a field is out because each non-zero is invertible (so things like $\mathbb{R}, \mathbb{Q},$ and $\mathbb{Z}_{p}$ are out). Good places to look for counterexamples when multiplication is involved with fields off the table are then $\mathbb{Z}_{n}$ ($n$ non-prime) and matrices.
 
GJA said:
Hi Peter,

Nicely done! Quick note on where the idea for considering $\mathbb{Z}_{6}$ came from: Trying to use a field is out because each non-zero is invertible (so things like $\mathbb{R}, \mathbb{Q},$ and $\mathbb{Z}_{p}$ are out). Good places to look for counterexamples when multiplication is involved with fields off the table are then $\mathbb{Z}_{n}$ ($n$ non-prime) and matrices.

Thanks GJA ...

Appreciate your help ...

Peter
 

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