How can physicists make the world a better place?

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The discussion explores the role of physicists in addressing global challenges, such as disease and climate change, and the broader implications of physics on society and technology. Participants consider both the positive contributions and potential negative consequences of physics in various contexts.

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  • Some participants suggest that physics underpins many technologies that can address world problems, such as medical imaging and renewable energy.
  • Others argue that the pursuit of understanding for its own sake is valuable, emphasizing the importance of humanitarian contributions from scientists.
  • There are claims that physics has led to harmful technologies, such as atomic bombs and industrial waste, raising concerns about its impact on society.
  • Some participants propose that physicists should engage in politics to influence societal issues, while others strongly oppose this idea, fearing the politicization of science.
  • One viewpoint suggests that stopping physics would not necessarily lead to better outcomes, as historical advancements have significantly improved human life.
  • Participants discuss the dual nature of technology as both beneficial and potentially dangerous, citing examples like nuclear power.
  • There are assertions that physics is essential for developing clean energy technologies and advancing computational capabilities that could lead to medical breakthroughs.
  • Some participants express skepticism about whether physics alone can solve societal issues, suggesting that human actions are the key factor.

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The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the role of physicists in society, the implications of their work, and whether they should engage in politics. There is no consensus on these issues, and participants express a range of opinions on the benefits and drawbacks of physics.

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Participants reference historical examples and hypothetical scenarios to illustrate their points, but these discussions are not resolved and depend on individual interpretations of the impact of physics.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the intersection of science and society, particularly those concerned with the ethical implications of scientific advancements and the role of physicists in addressing global challenges.

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I know a lot of the technology (if not all) draws back to physics but what can physicists do to solve world problems and issues?
 
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A short and blunt example:

Biology and medicine depend on chemistry to a certain degree.
Chemistry depends on physics.
 
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I took chemistry and physics and have seen where they interlock but what can a physicist discover that can solve a problem like a disease or global warming etc.
 
MRI, CT scan, semiconductors, ICs, computers, mobile phones, radio, wifi, websites, digital cameras, satellites, nuclear medicine, medical imaging, biological imaging, and all of the uses of these things.

Plus our sexiness.
 
Michael Faraday was once asked by one of the British ministers at the time: "What was the use of the law of electromagnetic induction he had discovered?" He replied: "I don't know, but some day you tax it". Speaking of technology that is used to produce most of electrical energy we use today.

I am believe that any discovery finds an application sooner or later though it is not at all simple (impossible?) to see one when the discovery is made. The question is would we live long enough to see it applied?
 
There are two things that I see as helping the world and society.
1. Pursuing understanding for it's own sake, and asking what we can give to nature and the world because of it. Too much progress is centered on how we can reverse engineer nature and then make some bank. That seems to me to be the wrong direction.
2. Contribute more to the image of humanitarian scientists. The innocence of science and wonder and asking questions gets a bad rep. and then people in other public roles, or just non-scientists don't want to fund research and the portion of resources given to science is diminished. At least people like some of the giants in science.
 
it gives us atomic bombs and mountains of industrial waste
 
arabianights said:
it gives us atomic bombs and mountains of industrial waste

And a place to gripe about them (internet).
 
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lisab said:
And a place to gripe about them (internet).

:thumbs:
 
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If physicists really want to make the world a better place, they should get involved in politics.
 
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Err, no they shouldn't. Politicizing science is an awful idea. Can you imagine the acrimony in a string party vs loop party campaign?
 
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They can stop doing physics, that will save more lives than keep doing physics. :-D
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
They can stop doing physics, that will save more lives than keep doing physics. :-D

Can you explain why you'd think such a thing?
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
They can stop doing physics, that will save more lives than keep doing physics. :-D
What if we stopped doing physics 500 ears ago?Our lives would be miserable.Try to imagine,Someone from another universe whose technology is so great came to our world and started showing off.How jealous would we be.We would be living in caves if we had stopped doing physics.
:smile:
 
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Chronos said:
Err, no they shouldn't. Politicizing science is an awful idea. Can you imagine the acrimony in a string party vs loop party campaign?

That is not as nasty as the Emergent Party versus the Reductionism Party! The Reductionism Party still hasn't forgiven the Emergent Party for helping to kill the SSC!

:)

Zz.
 
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We can't stop doing physics, it's against our biological makeup to. As humans we're always going to question and experiment whether you like it or not.
 
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Chronos said:
Err, no they shouldn't. Politicizing science is an awful idea. Can you imagine the acrimony in a string party vs loop party campaign?
:smile:
ZapperZ said:
That is not as nasty as the Emergent Party versus the Reductionism Party! The Reductionism Party still hasn't forgiven the Emergent Party for helping to kill the SSC!

:smile:
 
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nst.john said:
We can't stop doing physics, it's against our biological makeup to. As humans we're always going to question and experiment whether you like it or not.

I agree.

The first person who, having dropped a rock to the ground, bethought himself of saying "This is weird, but I have an idea how this works", and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of physics.

Yes, I did a shameless theft and rewrite of this Rousseau quote.
 
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ZombieFeynman said:
Can you explain why you'd think such a thing?

Atom bombs, nuclear waste, environment contamination... and the list goes on.
 
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adjacent said:
What if we stopped doing physics 500 ears ago?Our lives would be miserable.Try to imagine,Someone from another universe whose technology is so great came to our world and started showing off.How jealous would we be.We would be living in caves if we had stopped doing physics.
:smile:

You compare your life today with back then, but I don't think that people back then were any more miserable than people today. You just get accustomed to whatever technology you have.
 
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Physics has taught us to question and not just believe what is told to us, with physics comes questioning which comes revolution.
 
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Ignorance leads to superstition, which in turn leads to oppression.

Physics, at its core, illuminates our understanding of the world around us.

Learning is how we grow.
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
You compare your life today with back then, but I don't think that people back then were any more miserable than people today. You just get accustomed to whatever technology you have.
You are right but people back then might have thought that they were full of technologies(Eg :fire)that would eventually destroy them but fire is a necessary evil.Likewise,Nuclear technology is also a necessary evil.Think about advantages of nuclear power stations
 
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adjacent said:
You are right but people back then might have thought that they were full of technologies(Eg :fire)that would eventually destroy them but fire is a necessary evil.Likewise,Nuclear technology is also a necessary evil.Think about advantages of nuclear power stations

Everything has advantages and disadvantages, that's granted.

I don't think that physics can make things better, people can do it regardless of physics.
 
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Physics is what will make clean and efficient energy technologies viable and cheap enough to be used more widely. They're working on different photoelectric technologies to make solar panels cheaper to manufacture. But it's not just limited to solar power, either.

In the (possibly near) future, physics will perfect the various technologies that will give us quantum computing, which is so much more powerful than classical computing that it could more accurately simulate biological systems, so physics will directly lead to various cures.
 
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Chronos said:
Err, no they shouldn't. Politicizing science is an awful idea. Can you imagine the acrimony in a string party vs loop party campaign?

Not to politicize science, to bring scientific values and thinking to politics.
 
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Choppy said:
Ignorance leads to superstition, which in turn leads to oppression.

Physics, at its core, illuminates our understanding of the world around us.

Learning is how we grow.

Ignorance leads to Fear, and as we all know, “Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” :biggrin:

Therefore, physics helps prevent worldwide suffering.
 
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I do hereby nominate this, as the most humorous thread of the year.

:thumbs:

:-p

:!)

:smile:
 

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