How can quantum tunneling create Big Bang after heat death?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of quantum tunneling potentially leading to a new Big Bang after the heat death of the universe. Participants explore the implications of quantum fluctuations, entropy, and the conditions necessary for such an event to occur, touching on theoretical aspects of cosmology and quantum physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Wikipedia's claim that quantum fluctuations or tunneling could produce a new Big Bang after heat death, seeking clarification on the mechanism.
  • One participant argues that while the second law of thermodynamics states that entropy usually increases, reductions in entropy, such as those from quantum events, are possible but rare.
  • Concerns are raised about how particles, being far apart, could accumulate enough mass to initiate a Big Bang, with one participant suggesting that the initial seed could be smaller than a proton.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the concept of a seed with zero energy, leading to a discussion about the ambiguity of energy definitions in General Relativity.
  • One participant mentions the idea that tiny pockets of empty space can form due to quantum physics, which could lead to rapid expansion and energy generation through Hawking radiation.
  • Questions arise regarding the significance of heat death and whether similar quantum events occur continuously throughout the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and uncertainties regarding the mechanisms of quantum tunneling and the implications of heat death, with no consensus reached on the feasibility or specifics of these ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding energy definitions within General Relativity and the probabilistic nature of entropy changes, indicating that these factors complicate the discussion.

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Wikipedia states that, after he heat death of the universe: "Random quantum fluctuations or quantum tunneling can produce another Big Bang in
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How would this work?
 
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The second law of thermodynamics, which states that entropy always increases, isn't an absolute. The true statement, rather, is that entropy usually increases. Reductions in entropy do occur, but with lower probability. A quantum fluctuation or tunneling event that started a new Big Bang would be just such a reduction of entropy.
 
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I do not understand, with atoms and particles so far apart, how could they possibly accumulate into enough mass to create a big bang?
 
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goat-on-a-stick said:
I do not understand, with atoms and particles so far apart, how could they possibly accumulate into enough mass to create a big bang?
The initial seed would be smaller than a proton. You don't need much of any mass (neither mass nor energy are conserved in an expanding universe).
 
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Less than a proton! This is totally above my head. Thank you for your help. Do you recommend any webpages or reading materials to help me further understand this theory?
 
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goat-on-a-stick said:
Less than a proton! This is totally above my head. Thank you for your help. Do you recommend any webpages or reading materials to help me further understand this theory?
I saw a discussion about the origin of the universe on Youtube once, I think it was an Issac Asimov debate, but not sure. From it, my understanding is that tiny pockets of empty space can just form out of the laws of quantum physics, and that the mathematics of general relativity say that completely empty space has an outward pressure and will expand rapidly. Rapidly expanding space is thought to create intense Hawking radiation which fills it with energy.

Chalnoth said:
The initial seed would be smaller than a proton. You don't need much of any mass (neither mass nor energy are conserved in an expanding universe).
I thought that the seed would have exactly zero energy?
 
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newjerseyrunner said:
I thought that the seed would have exactly zero energy?
That's not entirely clear. Maybe. It depends a bit upon how you define energy (General Relativity doesn't have an unambiguous definition for total energy, and in a lot of situations it's not even possible to come up with a definition of total energy).
 
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Why is heat death significant? I thought that according to the math, this sort of thing is happening everywhere all the time?
 
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