How Can Successive Boosts Illuminate the Lorentz Transformation?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of expressing the Lorentz transformation as a sequence of infinitesimal boosts. Participants explore the mathematical framework and implications of this approach, including references to Taylor series and Lie groups.

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  • One participant expresses interest in understanding the Lorentz transformation through successive infinitesimal transformations and seeks initial reading materials.
  • Another participant suggests expanding the Lorentz transform in a Taylor series around v=0 and mentions raising this operator to the nth power, noting that it somehow leads to an exponent.
  • A different participant indicates that the process might also result in an integral, although they have not fully figured it out.
  • One participant introduces the idea of finding the "generator" of the Lorentz group and explains the concept of a generating set in the context of Lie groups, emphasizing the continuous nature of the Lorentz transformation.
  • A mathematical expression involving the exponential of a matrix is presented, prompting recognition of its significance.

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Participants generally agree on the interest in exploring the mathematical aspects of the Lorentz transformation, but multiple approaches and interpretations remain, with no consensus on the best method or understanding yet established.

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Participants mention the need for further reading on Lie groups and generators, indicating potential limitations in their current understanding and the complexity of the topic.

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Hi Friends,

From time to time I have seen transformations replaced by a succession of infinitesimal transformations. The end result ends up being an exponent.

My knowledge of this is vague and I would like to look into it more seriously. Particularly I am interested in describing the lorentz transformation as a sequence of infinitesimal boosts.

Can someone point me to the first thing I need read to understand this?

Thanks
 
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Hi, ActionIntegral,

I'll be more than happy to take a stab at it! Just expand the lorentz transform in a taylor series in v about v=0 keeping only the first order.

You can raise this operator to the nth power. Somehow this becomes an exponent but I haven't figured that part out yet.
 
actionintegral said:
Hi, ActionIntegral,

Somehow this becomes an integral but I haven't figured that part out yet.

That's ok - I wouldn't want you to do all the work for me! :smile:
 
actionintegral said:
Hi Friends,

From time to time I have seen transformations replaced by a succession of infinitesimal transformations. The end result ends up being an exponent.

My knowledge of this is vague and I would like to look into it more seriously. Particularly I am interested in describing the lorentz transformation as a sequence of infinitesimal boosts.

Can someone point me to the first thing I need read to understand this?

Thanks

What I think you're trying to do is find the "generator" of the Lorentz group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generating_set_of_a_group

In abstract algebra, a generating set of a group G is a subset S such that every element of G can be expressed as the product of finitely many elements of S and their inverses.

But you want to do this for a continuous group. The Lorentz transformation is a "group" in the abstract algebra sense with the group operation being the successive application of transforms, because the result is associative f x (g x h) = (f x g) x h, and has an inverse. However, the Lorentz group is an infinite group. This is called a "Lie group".

So what you need to do is to read up on Lie groups (specifically the generators of Lie groups). Or see if you can find a mathemetician.

Hope this helps.
 
Let [tex]\Theta=\left[ \begin {array}{cc} 0&1\\\noalign{\medskip}1&0\end {array} \right]\theta[/tex].
Formally, write [tex]\exp(\Theta)=I+\Theta+\Theta^2/2!+\Theta^3/3!+\ldots[/tex]. Do you recognize [tex]\exp(\Theta)[/tex]?
 
Both good answers - i'll read up on it. thanks to all three of you!
 

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