How Can the Braking System in a Car Be Modeled?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around how to model the braking system in a car, specifically focusing on the application of force on the brake pedal and its transmission to the tires. Participants explore the theoretical and practical aspects of braking systems, including the equations and principles involved in developing such a model.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a model for the braking system, emphasizing the need for equations related to the force applied on the pedal and its effect on the tires.
  • Another participant notes that modern braking systems are complex and involve various technologies, including ABS and traction control, beyond basic mechanics.
  • A historical perspective is provided, detailing the evolution of braking systems from simple mechanical designs to modern hydraulic and disc systems.
  • One participant suggests that modeling a braking system requires understanding of multiple disciplines, including hydraulics, dynamics, heat transfer, and material properties.
  • A later reply indicates that the original poster has difficulty understanding the suggested resources and is looking for more accessible help, specifically excluding vibrational analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to model the braking system, with multiple views on the complexity and necessary knowledge areas remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific equations and models needed, highlighting a lack of foundational knowledge in the areas mentioned, which may limit their ability to engage with the topic fully.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in automotive engineering, mechanical systems, or those seeking to understand the principles behind braking systems in vehicles.

Gutsy
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Hi,
I would like to know "how the braking system in a car can be modeled" i.e.,upon applying the force on pedal,how the force gets applied on the tires of the car.Please also give the equations which need to be considered for developing the model.

Thank you.
 
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Welcome to PF, Gutsy. I know nothing from formulae (although I could probably work out something like this if necessary). One thing to remember is that modern braking systems involve far more than the basics. Even my '72 Roadrunner has dual proportional braking with front discs; never mind when you get into ABS and traction control systems.
In the simplest system, application of force to a lever of some kind causes a frictional surface to be brought into contact with a rotating part that you want to stop.
On stage coaches, carriages, etc., that meant a leather-lined wooden block pressed against the rim of the wheel by means of a hand lever. Later designs had a smaller inner wheel on the same axle, to which the force was applied. This eventually evolved into the brake drum and shoes, which then introduced hydraulics. From there, aircraft technology brought about disc/caliper systems, which necessitated power boosting.
 
For starters, why not try a simple search in Google?

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/disc-brake.htm

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/drum-brake.htm

Basically, you have a force applied to something (might involve hydraulics) that creates friction, which in turn creates heat, and the resulting frictional load slows the thing down. Unfortunately, modeling a braking system is not as simple as plugging numbers into a few magic equations, it takes understadning of hydraulics, dynamics, heat transfer, and material properties.
 
@mech_engineer,all

Thanks for ur inputs,
i had gone thru them previously but unable to go past them as i don't have any knowledge on the areas u specified.

Can anybody help me out.Also, i am not looking at vibrational analysis of the system(car).

Thank you
 

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