How can the falling block problem be solved using conservation equations?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a block that is initially leaning on a ledge and is held in place by wires. When the wires are cut, the block begins to fall, and the goal is to determine how far it falls from the wall and its velocity upon hitting the ground 45 feet below. The context includes concepts of conservation of energy and rigid body motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of conservation of energy principles, both linear and rotational, to analyze the motion of the block as it loses contact with the ledge. There are questions about the setup and the relevant equations to apply, including the moment of inertia and angular velocity.

Discussion Status

Some guidance has been offered regarding the conservation equations and the need to consider both linear and rotational motion. Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem setup and the equations involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about the conservation equations and has been struggling with the problem for an extended period. There is an emphasis on the initial conditions of the block's tilt and the constraints of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


The problem consists of a block that starts off on a ledge. It has an initial vertical imperfection ie it is leaning over at the top such that when the top anchors are cut it will fall off of the ledge. I need to determine how far the block falls from the wall and the velocity of the block when it hits the ground 45 feet below to calculate an impulse.


Homework Equations


I think the relevant equations are the relative general plane motion about a translational and a rotational axis. Neglecting the sliding of the block off of the ledge as it moves outward.


The Attempt at a Solution


I had a FBD and then I started to use rigid body motion about a fixed axis but then concluded that would not work. I have been stuck for two weeks and this forum is my last hope. Thanks

Scott
 
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Hi Scott! Welcome to PF! :wink:

(i'm not sure i understand exactly what the set-up is, but …)

if the block is balanced on its edge, on the edge of the shelf, and it starts to rotate about that edge until it loses contact,

then you need to use conservation of energy (both linear and rotational) to find the speed of the centre of mass just as it loses contact …

from then on, it's freely falling, so of course use the standard constant acceleration equations. :smile:
 
Yes, the block is just barely off the edge of the table, and it starts out with an initial tilt, being held back by wires at the top. The wires are then cut and the block is allowed to move off of the table. Could you possibly start me up with the conservation equations, I think I know which ones to start using, however it has been a while since I have used any of those principles. Thanks for your reply


Scott
 
sbouvia said:
Yes, the block is just barely off the edge of the table, and it starts out with an initial tilt, being held back by wires at the top. The wires are then cut and the block is allowed to move off of the table. Could you possibly start me up with the conservation equations

Well, the initial equation is just mgh + 1/2 Iω2 = constant, where I is the moment of inertia about the edge of the table, and ω is the angular velocity.
 

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