How can the first principles approach be used to differentiate a^x?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the function a^x using first principles, exploring various approaches and mathematical limits involved in the process. Participants engage with both theoretical and practical aspects of calculus, including limits and the properties of logarithmic and exponential functions.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in simplifying the differentiation of a^x from first principles and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant provides a step-by-step limit process to differentiate a^x, leading to the conclusion that the derivative is a^x ln(a).
  • A suggestion is made to differentiate using established tools and then translate those into epsilon-delta definitions.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenge of proving the limit that leads to ln(a), with references to modern definitions of logarithms.
  • Discussion includes whether every equation can be differentiated from first principles, including implicit functions.
  • A participant introduces the function Exp(x) to define a^x and discusses differentiating it using the chain rule.
  • Another participant describes differentiating log x from first principles and relates it to the exponential function, mentioning the limit definition of e.
  • There is a comparison of different limits used in the differentiation process, with some participants asserting that one limit is less well-known than another.
  • Agreement is noted that certain limits are interrelated, particularly in the context of differentiating logarithmic and exponential functions.

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Participants express differing views on the best approach to differentiate a^x from first principles, with no consensus reached on a single method. There is also a debate about the familiarity and utility of various limits used in the discussion.

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Some participants highlight the complexity of proving certain limits and the dependence on definitions of logarithmic and exponential functions. The discussion reflects a range of mathematical reasoning and assumptions that may not be universally accepted.

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I always wondered how you can differentiate a^x from first principles with the limit as dx approaches zero but I never managed to simplify it far enough to separate dx on a different term. Can anyone help?
 
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I guess it should look like that:

[tex] \begin{equation*}<br /> \begin{split}<br /> &f(x) = a^x \\<br /> f'(x) &= lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}=lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{a^{(x+h)}-a^x}{h} = \\<br /> &= lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{a^xa^h-a^x}{h} = lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{a^x(a^h-1)}{h} = \\<br /> &= a^x lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{a^h-1}{h} = a^x lna \\<br /> \end{split}<br /> \end{equation*}[/tex]
 
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You can always differentiate it using all of the tools you know, and then translate those tools into epsilon-deltas.

radou: try something like:

\begin{equation*}
\begin{split}
f(x) &= a^x \\
f'(x) &= ... \\
&= ... \\
&= ...
\end{split}
\end{equation*}
 
Thanks. :smile:
 
radou, you might want to break that process into separate lines... I can't see half of it! :)
 
Of course, the hard part is showing that
[tex]\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{a^h-1}{h}= ln(a)[/tex]

Many modern texts start by defining
[tex]ln x= \int_1^x\frac{1}{t}dt[/tex]
showing that this has all the properties of a natural logarithm, has an inverse, and then defining ex as its inverse.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Of course, the hard part is showing that
[tex]\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{a^h-1}{h}= ln(a)...[/tex]

Exactly. That's why I didn't prove it. :biggrin:
 
Hey but that's not fair, any up to standard student can get there on his/her own! How do you actually solve the hard part? I think it's interesting for all those starting calculus...

Tell me this at least... Can you diffentiate *every* equation from first principles? Even implicite ones?
 
mtanti said:
Hey but that's not fair, any up to standard student can get there on his/her own! How do you actually solve the hard part? I think it's interesting for all those starting calculus...

Tell me this at least... Can you diffentiate *every* equation from first principles? Even implicite ones?
The simplest way to prove this rigourously is by introducing the ugly-looking function Exp(x):
[tex]Exp(x)=1+\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{x^{n}}{n!}[/tex]
where integral powers of numbers have been defined inductively.
Exp(x) can be shown to have all the properties we would like an exponential function to have, including an inverse we call Log(x).
Furthermore, we can differentiate Exp(x) termwise, yielding..Exp(x) itself.

We therefore DEFINE [itex]a^{x}=Exp(x*Log(a))[/itex]
and we may differentiate this by the use of the chain rule.
 
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If we differentiate log x (to any base) from first principles, after a few lines of algebra we find it to be (1/x) times the log of the limit as h approaches zero of (1 + h)^(1/h). But this limit is the familiar definition of e. Job done. Using this result its then easy to find (using chain rule or whatever) the derivative of the inverse function, i.e. the exponential function.
I'd say this counts as differentiating the exponential function from first principles. The limit Radou uses, is in my opinion, less well known that the limit I've referred to above.
 
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Philip Wood said:
If we differentiate log x (to any base) from first principles, after a few lines of algebra we find it to be (1/x) times the log of the limit as h approaches zero of (1 + h)^(1/h). But this limit is the familiar definition of e. Job done. Using this result its then easy to find (using chain rule or whatever) the derivative of the inverse function, i.e. the exponential function.
I'd say this counts as differentiating the exponential function from first principles. The limit Radou uses, is in my opinion, less well known that the limit I've referred to above.

Hi Philip. I'm pretty sure that lim h->0 (1 + h)^(1/h) = e is pretty much the same thing as showing that lim h->0 (e^h - 1)/h = 1. Think about it, one follows pretty easily from the other.
 
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uart: Thank you. I agree that one follows from the other. Radou's limit, as he's tackling the general case of differentiating a^x, is of (a^h - 1)h, and comes to ln a; but this can also easily be shown to follow from lim h -> 0 (1 + h)^1/h. My point, though, is that lim h -> 0 (1 + h)^1/h arises naturally in the first principles differentiation of log x (base a) and is, arguably, the standard definition of e.
 

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