How can the illicit operation 0/0 be remedied?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical operation 0/0 and whether it can be remedied or given meaning. Participants explore the implications of this operation in algebra and its status as an indeterminate form, touching on concepts from fields and functions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that 0/0 is algebraically meaningless and cannot be remedied, suggesting it should be left alone.
  • Others propose that if 0/0 arises from a function f(x)/g(x), L'Hôpital's rule could be applied to evaluate limits, although this does not resolve the indeterminate nature of 0/0 itself.
  • One participant questions the assertion that 0/0 cannot be remedied, asking for a rationale behind this claim.
  • There are discussions about the implications of defining 1/0 and how this would affect the structure of the real numbers, suggesting that it would violate the properties of a field.
  • Some participants engage in a deeper exploration of the axioms of fields and the expectations surrounding algebraic operations, questioning the definitions and reasoning behind them.
  • There is a mention of the potential circular reasoning in defining multiplicative inverses, prompting further clarification on the definitions used in mathematics.
  • Participants express frustration over the repeated nature of the questions regarding 0/0, indicating that similar discussions have occurred previously in the forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether 0/0 can be remedied or given meaning, with some maintaining it is inherently meaningless while others explore the conditions under which it might be evaluated. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the axioms of fields and the nature of algebraic operations, indicating that the discussion is limited by the definitions and assumptions inherent in these mathematical structures. There is also mention of the need for clarity in the definitions used in the context of division and multiplication.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying abstract algebra, mathematical logic, or anyone curious about the foundations of arithmetic operations and their implications in mathematics.

  • #31
we now have 0/0=x. let`s now mention that x is ANY real number... thus, 0/0=R, which is an oxymoron.
No, it means you've proven that all real numbers are equal. :-p

I'm going to close this, not because of any specific post, but just to combat necromancy of 0/0 threads.
 

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