Undergrad How can the Lp Norm be used to prove inequalities?

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The discussion focuses on using Lp norms to prove inequalities, particularly emphasizing that the L1 norm is greater than the Lp norm for p > 1, which can be shown through the triangle inequality. Participants explore how to prove specific parts of the inequalities, suggesting that convexity of the function f(x) = x^α can aid in the proof for part 2. The conversation includes hints on how to approach the proofs by substituting variables and recognizing the implications of the triangle inequality. Overall, the discussion highlights methods for demonstrating the relationships between different norms and their properties. Understanding these concepts is crucial for proving the stated inequalities effectively.
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I would appreciate some help on proofs involving the Lp norm below, please. I looked up Holder's inequality, which might help with this problem, but I'm not sure how to set up the proofs.
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(a_1+a_2+a_3)^\alpha \ge a_1^\alpha+(a_2+a_3)^\alpha \ge a_1^\alpha + a_2^\alpha + a_3^\alpha
a_1+a_2+a_3 \ge [a_1^\alpha + a_2^\alpha + a_3^\alpha]^{\frac{1}{\alpha} }
and so on.

Bonus
f(x,y):=(x+y)^a-x^a-y^a
x,y \ge 0 ,\ \ a \ge 1
\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} \ge 0,\ \ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y} \ge 0, \ \ f(0,0)=0
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
(a_1+a_2+a_3)^\alpha \ge a_1^\alpha+(a_2+a_3)^\alpha \ge a_1^\alpha + a_2^\alpha + a_3^\alpha
a_1+a_2+a_3 \ge [a_1^\alpha + a_2^\alpha + a_3^\alpha]^{\frac{1}{\alpha} }
and so on.

Bonus
f(x,y):=(x+y)^a-x^a-y^a
x,y \ge 0 ,\ \ a \ge 1
\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} \ge 0,\ \ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y} \ge 0, \ \ f(0,0)=0
How would I prove part (1)? By inspection, the l1 norm will be greater that the lp form when p > 1, since l1 is just the sum of the magnitudes...just not sure how to show work that is proof-based.

Are your hints regarding parts 2 & 3?
 
I stopped at 3 but you should continue upto N
(a_1+a_2+...+a_N)^\alpha \ge a_1^\alpha + a_2^\alpha + ... +a_N^\alpha
a_1+a_2+...+a_N \ge (a_1^\alpha + a_2\alpha + ... +a_N^\alpha)^\frac{1}{\alpha}
Let ##a_k=|x_k|##
 
anuttarasammyak said:
I stopped at 3 but you should continue upto N
(a_1+a_2+...+a_N)^\alpha \ge a_1^\alpha + a_2^\alpha + ... +a_N^\alpha
a_1+a_2+...+a_N \ge (a_1^\alpha + a_2\alpha + ... +a_N^\alpha)^\frac{1}{\alpha}
Let ##a_k=|x_k|##
I see that, how does this relate to part 1? I’m slow at understanding it seems.
 
(|x_1|+|x_2|+...+|x_N|)^p \ge |x_1|^p +|x_2|^p + ... +|x_N|^p
l_1\ norm=|x_1|+|x_2|+...+|x_N| \ge (|x_1|^p +|x_2|^p + ... +|x_N|^p)^\frac{1}{p}=l_p \ norm
 
anuttarasammyak said:
(|x_1|+|x_2|+...+|x_N|)^p \ge |x_1|^p +|x_2|^p + ... +|x_N|^p
l_1\ norm=|x_1|+|x_2|+...+|x_N| \ge (|x_1|^p +|x_2|^p + ... +|x_N|^p)^\frac{1}{p}=l_p \ norm
Okay. this makes sense. Thanks. How would part 2 be proved? I'm thinking I would need to choose some a_i and α and by using the convexity of the function f = x^α. Any thoughts here?
 
ashah99 said:
I'm thinking I would need to choose some a_i and α and by using the convexity of the function f = x^α.
Why don’t you do it ?

Also the hint may be helpful for 2 also. Try substituting ##a_k## to what ?
 
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ashah99 said:
How would I prove part (1)? By inspection, the l1 norm will be greater that the lp form when p > 1, since l1 is just the sum of the magnitudes...just not sure how to show work that is proof-based.

Are your hints regarding parts 2 & 3?
since you know the Lp norm is a norm, you should be able to recognize that (1) is implied by triangle inequality, i.e.

##\big \Vert \mathbf x \big \Vert_p=\big \Vert \sum_{k=1}^n x_k \cdot \mathbf e_k\big \Vert_p\leq \sum_{k=1}^n \big \Vert x_k\cdot \mathbf e_k \big \Vert_p = \sum_{k=1}^n \big \Vert x_k\cdot \mathbf e_k \big \Vert_1 = \big \Vert \mathbf x \big \Vert_1##
 
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For (2), if ##q<p##, raise both sides to the ##q## power. Then you can pick a clever choice of ##y## to rewrite the inequality as ##||y||_{p/q} \leq ||y||_1##.
 

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