How can we easily obtain 2-bromoacetophenone from bromobenzene?

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The discussion revolves around the synthesis of 2-bromoacetophenone from bromobenzene, exploring various chemical reactions and methodologies. Participants consider different reagents and processes, including Friedel-Crafts acylation, and the challenges associated with regioselectivity in the desired product formation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using iodine in NaOH followed by a Schmidt reaction and diazotization to achieve the desired product.
  • Others propose Dow's process to convert bromobenzene to phenol, then to acetophenone, followed by bromination.
  • One participant mentions using CH3Cl in anhydrous AlCl3 for acylation, but notes it may lead to 2-bromo toluene or 4-bromotoluene instead of the target compound.
  • Another participant suggests Friedel-Crafts acylation with acetyl chloride to obtain 2'-bromoacetophenone, indicating that more than one step may be necessary for the desired compound.
  • There is a discussion about the structure of 2-bromoacetophenone, with some participants clarifying that it involves bromine at the ortho position on the benzene ring.
  • Some participants highlight that bromine is ortho-para directing, which could lead to a mixture of ortho and para isomers during Friedel-Crafts reactions.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about achieving high regioselectivity for ortho-bromoacetophenone in a single step without a directing group.
  • Another participant suggests that acylation might still be sufficient despite potential ortho product formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for synthesizing 2-bromoacetophenone from bromobenzene. Multiple competing views and proposed methods remain, with ongoing debate about the effectiveness and regioselectivity of the suggested reactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations regarding the regioselectivity of Friedel-Crafts acylation and the potential for competing reactions. There is also mention of the need for directing groups in some cases to achieve desired substitution patterns.

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By which reagent we would get 2-bromoacetophenone in one step from bromobenzene?
 
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You can do this:
1)iodine in NaOH (iodoform reaction) to get ph-COOH
2)Schmidt reaction using N3H to get ph-NH2
3)Diazotization
4)H3PO2
 
Will this work?#Aditya
By Dow's process.. get phenol, then reduce to benzene using Zn.
then by acylation.. you'll get acetophenone, then by bromination, α hydrogen of the substituent group gets replaced by Br?
#Raghav.. i still kept my word.. it was already out of the unanswered section.
 
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I'm sorry, I gave the answer for bromobenzene from 2-bromoacetophenone.
For the conversion, the answer is CH3Cl in anhydrous AlCl3 (acylation)
 
AdityaDev said:
I'm sorry, I gave the answer for bromobenzene from 2-bromoacetophenone.
For the conversion, the answer is CH3Cl in anhydrous AlCl3 (acylation)
But that will give 2-bromo toluene or 4-bromotoluene.
I'm asking 2-bromoacetophenone from bromobenzene.
See structure of 2-bromoacetophenone.
 
You can get 2'-bromoacetophenone (with the acetyl unit in the ortho position on the benzene ring) by a Friedel-Crafts acylation of bromobenzene with acetyl chloride. To get the compound you linked to (benzene with a 2-bromoacetyl group) directly from bromobenzene, I think you're going to need more than one step. Maybe a Pd-catalyzed coupling of some kind, but you'll get competition with the Br on the acetyl group.
 
Raghav Gupta said:
But that will give 2-bromo toluene or 4-bromotoluene.
I'm asking 2-bromoacetophenone from bromobenzene.
See structure of 2-bromoacetophenone.
No. I am talking about acylation. It will give the required product. Check NCERT book.
 
AdityaDev said:
No. I am talking about acylation. It will give the required product. Check NCERT book.
As TeethWhitener said it will give acetyl group in the para position of bromobenzene.
And I'm not wanting that. See again the structure in the link given above in post.
For reference: It was a recent cbse board exam question.
 
Raghav Gupta said:
See again the structure in the link given above in post.
Raghav, my teacher said, that the link thing is wrong, 2-bromoacetophenone is bromine attached at ortho position on the benzene ring. the compound in the link is
1-phenyl-2-bromoethanone because acetophenone is nothing but 1-phenylethanone.
 
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Suraj M said:
Raghav, my teacher said, that the link thing is wrong, 2-bromoacetophenone is bromine attached at ortho position on the benzene ring. the compound in the link is
1-phenyl-2-bromoethanone because acetophenone is nothing but 1-phenylethanone.
Ya, I think you are right. Don't know why the wikipedia a famous site was showing that.
Now acylation will give para thing. How ortho?
 
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Bromine is ortho-para directing, so Friedel-Crafts will give you a mixture of ortho and para isomers. Bonus question: how would you get meta-bromoacetophenone (starting from benzene)?
 
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TeethWhitener said:
Bromine is ortho-para directing, so Friedel-Crafts will give you a mixture of ortho and para isomers. Bonus question: how would you get meta-bromoacetophenone (starting from benzene)?
Easy.
First friedel crafts acylation to get acetophenone.
Then bromination in presence of FeBr3 to get meta brominated product.
this conversion is even better: benzene to benzene-(1,3)-dicarboxylic acid. Try it.
 
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AdityaDev said:
this conversion is even better: benzene to benzene-(1,3)-dicarboxylic acid. Try it.
We'll probably get the thread locked for being off-topic, but it's fun regardless. Friedel-Crafts alkylation of benzene with a methyl halide to get toluene, then oxidize with permanganate to benzoic acid (now it's meta-directing), then repeat the process to get the 1,3-dicarboxyl compound.
 
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TeethWhitener said:
Bromine is ortho-para directing, so Friedel-Crafts will give you a mixture of ortho and para isomers.
But para one would be in majority because of steric hindrance by ortho group.
So now what?
 
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I don't know if there's really a good way to get ortho-bromoacetophenone in one step from bromobenzene with high regioselectivity. Typically, regioselective ortho-directed reactions require some sort of directing group. Look up "ortho-directed metalation" for more info. The general idea is that you have a benzene ring with a directing group (usually an acyl or amide group) which allows substitution of the ortho hydrogen with lithium. That ortho-lithiated product can be subsequently functionalized.
 
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TeethWhitener said:
We'll probably get the thread locked for being off-topic, but it's fun regardless. Friedel-Crafts alkylation of benzene with a methyl halide to get toluene, then oxidize with permanganate to benzoic acid (now it's meta-directing), then repeat the process to get the 1,3-dicarboxyl compound.
Correct. It is interesting indeed.
 
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Anyways, I think acylation would be fine enough for 1 step, no matter what the amount of ortho product would be.
Thanks to you all.
 

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