News How can we make sure this Clean Up doesn't turn into a bigger mess?

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The discussion centers on President Bush's proposed $15 billion plan aimed at combating AIDS in Africa and fostering diplomatic relations. Participants express mixed reactions, with some supporting the initiative as a positive step towards addressing critical health issues, while others remain skeptical about its effectiveness and the potential for actual funding to reach those in need. Concerns are raised about the cultural implications of promoting condom use as a solution, with some arguing that it may conflict with local traditions. The conversation also touches on broader themes of U.S. foreign policy, the morality of using aid for political leverage, and the historical context of Western involvement in Africa. Overall, while there is acknowledgment of the importance of addressing Africa's challenges, there is also significant criticism regarding the motivations behind U.S. aid and the effectiveness of such initiatives.
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Oddly enough, this thread only reinforces my old theory... there are no smart people in Nebraska.

that wasnt nice...
 
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It's actually sad that Bush has decided to start bribing African nations. Now that every nation is afraid to collaborate with the US for fear of breaking international laws, he has to try to gain support from third world countries.

In a recent interview, the prime minister of Poland openly admitted that cooperation with the US in the aftermath of the war could mean lower oil prices (and therefore improvement in economy) for his own country.

When you think about it, $15 billion isn't that much to pay for gaining support from many third world UN representatives.

eNtRopY
 
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so what if the United States can't get any support in europe? their reasons for not supporting us are just as scandalous as our reasons for attacking iraq...
 
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Originally posted by Mattius_
so what if the United States can't get any support in europe? their reasons for not supporting us are just as scandalous as our reasons for attacking iraq...

No, it's not scandalous that European nations do no want to take blood money from the US. It's scandalous that the US is looking to gain support from desperately poor countries by waving a ham sandwich in front of their pathetic faces.

eNtRopY
 
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haha lesson 1 in politics entropy, morals are non-existent!

dont expect me to swallow that crap, they are as crooked as you or me. they won't take blood money, lol! every single country which sided against us, is now offering to help cleanup iraq, including france! that is FACT. Morality is innefficient, and thus non-existent, every 'moral' country has long died off...

sorry if this new frontier of politics is a little bitter to you, but the fact is that it is REAL.
 
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Oh, I am aware that most European countries are angered by the fact that the US has blacklisted them from the reconstruction. However, I am also aware of the fact that most European countries would rather not officially back the US and its policy simply because it is blatantly illegal.

Let's count the number of times the US has contradicted its own Universal Declaration of Human Rights (established in 1948). On second thought, that would take too long... nevermind.

eNtRopY
 
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Originally posted by eNtRopY
Oh, I am aware that most European countries are angered by the fact that the US has blacklisted them from the reconstruction.
They want the money but not the responsibility. Tough.
 
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Originally posted by quantumcarl Here's to a totally independant Africa! Viva la Liberty!
 
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an independent africa? we (as in westerners) made the mess, its our job to clean it up
 
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Originally posted by Mattius_
an independent africa? we (as in westerners) made the mess, its our job to clean it up

Its a tough call. Do we integrate the different cultures of the world into our culture of wireless glass and steel boxes? Do we integrate the other cultures of the world into our glass and steel boxes... where we have goats and mud and cobras and straw rooves along with our Frappachino Carmella?

its a tough call. Do we regulate each pound of goat's milk cheese like we do in Euro land? Do we impose Burgers pattie regulations that shape the food of a nation... Ostrich Burger/ Water buffalo patties... Kuala cheese melt to go?

The result of a "Western Cleanup Op" in Africa will undoubtedly make a worse mess. Unless, of course, people are senstitive to the ways of the African. And the Africans are involved at the highest level in this... "Clean Up".

Some results have been reverse discrimination where we see white immigrants being beaten and removed from their land... sometimes killed. It sounds a bit like Cincinati on a hot, riotious night, except in the reverse.
 

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