How can we use sound energy to power motors?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential of harnessing sound energy to power motors, exploring the feasibility and efficiency of such an approach in various applications, including engines and vehicles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why sound waves from motors cannot be used to generate more energy, suggesting that even small amounts could improve efficiency.
  • Another participant argues that the energy contained in sound waves is extremely low and not usable for practical applications.
  • A participant points out that while sound energy is consistently produced by engines, it cannot significantly enhance fuel efficiency due to its weak nature.
  • It is noted that converting sound energy to electrical energy is not a new concept, as microphones already perform this function, but the energy output is minimal.
  • Some participants mention that capturing sound energy in specific setups, like gas turbine engines, could yield a few watts, but this is still negligible compared to the overall energy output.
  • Alternative methods, such as using piezoelectric materials in vehicles to generate electricity from vibrations, are suggested as more viable, though still limited in power generation.
  • There is a recognition that while the technology for energy harvesting from sound is being developed, the actual power output remains very small.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the viability of harnessing sound energy for practical use, with some asserting it is not feasible while others suggest it could have minor benefits. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the potential applications and effectiveness of sound energy in powering motors.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in the energy output from sound waves and the challenges in capturing this energy effectively, particularly in open environments like vehicles.

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i might have already posted this i forgot
basically one day i was why can't we get more energy from a motor by using its sound waves.

but some has thought of that already so...
how does he do it. how does it work.

[edit: crackpot link deleted]
 
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The amount of energy contained in sound waves is unbelievably low. There isn't any useable energy to harness.

Also, we don't provide free advertising to crackpot websites here - even if you just posted the link to ask a question.
 
what??
 
russ_watters said:
Which part didn't you understand...?

ok sry bout the advertising thing.
but how can you just blow off an energy source that is consitantly made with everysingle type of engine.
even if it only get a little energy it could make a lot of things more efficient.
even if it gave you 2 extra mpg i mean that's a lot.
 
ben328i said:
but how can you just blow off an energy source that is consitantly made with everysingle type of engine.
even if it only get a little energy it could make a lot of things more efficient.
even if it gave you 2 extra mpg i mean that's a lot.
Yes, that is a lot - and sound energy can't do that for you! Sound energy is much, much, much weaker than that. Lemme back up a bit:

Converting sound energy to electrical energy is not a new concept. That's what a microphone does. And there are systems out there, such as the Navy's sound powered phones, that use the energy generated by the microphone to power the device. But the amount of energy we're talking about here is miniscule.

If you could use the enclosure of a gas turbine enegine to capture the sound (in a way, it does already...) and convert it directly to power, you'd be able to generate a few extra watts for a plant that already generates megawatts.

For other devices, it isn't even possible to do that - you can't improve the fuel economy of your car this way because you can't caputure the sound without enclosing the car in a coccoon. Sound energy radiates in all directions.

A somewhat related concept that would be more workable would be to use piezoelectric shocks or engine mounts in your car to generate electricity. These might generate enough electricity to run the cabin LED lights, but that's it: a few watts.
 
russ_watters said:
A somewhat related concept that would be more workable would be to use piezoelectric shocks or engine mounts in your car to generate electricity. These might generate enough electricity to run the cabin LED lights, but that's it: a few watts.

Russ is correct.
This kind of technology is being developed for things like accelerometers designed to power themselves and transmit measurements wirelessly, for widespread condition monitoring in plant. Even on huge plant, the power output is very small (and I don't even think it's yet great enough to power the radio transmitter).
 
o ok.
i completely forgot what a mic does.
well...
i think ill get back to my math homework instead of pondering this
 
Keep daydreaming, though - that's where engineers come from.
 
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And guys like me... but that's probably not something that should be publicized. :eek:
 
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Danger said:
And guys like me... but that's probably not something that should be publicized. :eek:

huh?
 

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