How can you determine the direction of a phase portrait?

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The discussion revolves around determining the direction of phase portraits in the context of differential equations, specifically focusing on the example of the system defined by x' = y and y' = -2x^3. Participants explore methods for drawing phase portraits, the implications of linearization, and the characteristics of equilibrium points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to determine the direction of the phase portrait, suggesting that it involves analyzing dy/dx to identify clockwise and counterclockwise behavior.
  • Another participant points out the complexity of the example, noting that linearization near the equilibrium point yields only one eigenvalue, which complicates the analysis.
  • A different participant expresses confusion about drawing the phase portrait, emphasizing the importance of understanding the stability of the equilibrium point based on eigenvalues.
  • One participant mentions using software to generate a phase plane diagram, indicating that the flow appears clockwise, but acknowledges a prior mistake in interpreting the equations.
  • Another participant requests visual aids to better understand the phase portrait, suggesting uncertainty about the drawing process among others.
  • Discussion includes a new equation, x^4 + y^2 = constant, with a participant expressing difficulty in visualizing the resulting graph.
  • One participant suggests starting with specific initial values to explore the phase paths, indicating a method for generating additional points on the phase portrait.
  • Another participant encourages predicting the behavior of the phase portrait based on the value of C in the equation, suggesting a relationship between the constant and the shape of the plot.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to drawing phase portraits, with no consensus on the best method or interpretation of the results. Multiple competing views on the stability and characteristics of the equilibrium point are present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of linearization and the implications of eigenvalues on stability, as well as the challenges in visualizing complex equations. There are unresolved questions regarding the geometric and algebraic multiplicities of eigenvalues.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners interested in differential equations, phase portraits, and stability analysis, particularly those seeking to deepen their understanding of these concepts through collaborative exploration.

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Can someone please explain to me how to draw the PP, I mean besides drawing the lines which i think i can understand, how do you decide how to draw the direction of the phase portrait?
I mean for example we have: x'=y and y'=-2x^3, obviously those are parabolas and hyperbolas, now the equilibrium point is (x,y)=(0,0)
for x=1 y=-1 y'=-2 so the direction should be decided by the fact that y'/x'=dy/dx=tg(a)>0 so it's going counter clockwise for the hyperbola in the fourth quardant, for x=1 y=1 it's negative then it goes clockwise, the same is for x=-1 y=1 it's counterclockwise, and for x=-1 y=-1 it's clockwise, have i got it correct, it's all about identifiy the clockwise anti clockwise by dy/dx, correct?

Well, I think I got it, unless someone thinks otherwise, do tell me if i got it correct?
thanks.
 
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You've chosen a difficult example! Linearized close to (0,0) that is equivalent to
\frac{\left(\begin{array}{c} x \\ y\end{array}\right)}{dt}= \left(\begin{array}{cc}0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0\end{array}\right)\left(\begin{array}{c} x \\ y\end{array}\right)
which has only 0 as eigenvalue and has only multiples of <1, 0> as eigenvalues rather than two independent eigenvalues.
 
I don't see, how would you draw the phase portrait, and it's not an example it's from a test, so it's quite crucial I will undersatnd it.

The only time we used linearisation was for finding if it has an asymptotic equilibirium point, but in this case as youv'e pointed we don't have this, cause the real part of the eigen value is zero and not negative.
for this point to be a stable point we need that the geometric multiplicity and algebraic will be equal, the algebraic is 2, the geometric multiplicity doesn't equal 2?

anyway, how to draw then?

thanks in advance as always.
 
I ran it through software that came with a d.e. text and the phase plane diagram has ovals flowing cockwise. I had originaly worked it out for y'= -2x2 because I misread your post.
 
can you upload the picture here so I can see it, I have a feeling that no one really knows how to draw them. (-:
 
the equation should be x^4+y^2=constant, now this seems a bit tricky to draw, we know the function is: y=sqrt(C-x^4), C>=x^4, so it should be some sort of a composition of quardupabola and square root, don't have a clue how do draw such a thing.
 
Start with any convenient particular initial value of x and y, and value of K. Here e.g. some y=0 and any convenient value of the other two. Now any other point on the phase path starting there, I should say passing through there, has the same K but a different x, y. So what are other points to choose, for simplicity?

You should soon see what that path looks like.
You need some other paths. You get another by choosing a different K, and do the same thing as before.

What is your conclusion?
 
PS for K I meant C above.

You have solved the equation and it is not hard to see what the plots should look like. An intriguing and not difficult exercise is what do you predict according as C>1 and C<1 then check it with a plotter?

Almost superfluous in your case but think anyway, is definitely part of seeing the scheme of the phase portraits in cases where you cannot solve the differential equation, what are the loci of dy/dx = 0 and dx/dy = 0 ?
 

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