How Can You Visualize Second Order Partial Derivatives?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the visualization of second order partial derivatives, specifically focusing on the notation fxy versus fyx and how to represent these derivatives graphically. The scope includes conceptual understanding and mathematical reasoning related to functions of two variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about visualizing the second order partial derivative with respect to x and then y, questioning the distinction between fxy and fyx.
  • Another participant suggests that fx can be visualized as a slope on a 3D graph, while fxx represents curvature. They propose that fxy can be interpreted as half the difference between curvatures in two diagonal directions.
  • A further contribution introduces a specific function, f(x,y) = xy, and provides its derivatives at the point (0,0), indicating that fxy(0,0) = 1, which may serve as a standard for understanding the effect of the derivative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus on a single method of visualization, as participants present different perspectives and approaches to understanding second order partial derivatives.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not clarify the assumptions underlying their visualizations or the specific conditions under which their interpretations hold true.

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How do you visualize a second order partial derivative with respect to x and then y?

fxy or fyx?(same thing, but how to visualize)
 
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Hi yitriana! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
yitriana said:
How do you visualize a second order partial derivative with respect to x and then y?

fxy or fyx?(same thing, but how to visualize)

You can visualise fx as a slope (on an x y z "hillside" graph), and fxx as a curvature.

fxy would be 1/2 of the difference between the curvatures in the two "diagonal" directions, fuu and fvv where u = (x+y)/√2 and v = (x-y)/√2 :wink:
 
Another thing you might do is look at a "standard" representative.

For example, the function f(x,y) = xy has:

f(0,0) = 0
fx(0,0) = 0
fy(0,0) = 0
fxx(0,0) = 0
fxy(0,0) = 1
fyy(0,0) = 0

and all other derivatives are zero.

So, in some sense, the behavior of this function near (0,0) sets the standard for what the effect of that derivative "looks like".
 
Thank you for the replies. tiny-tim's explanation was especially helpful.
 

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