How come Au does not react well like Cu and Ag?

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The discussion centers on the chemical reactivity of gold (Au) compared to copper (Cu) and silver (Ag), exploring why gold, despite having a similar outer electron configuration, exhibits significantly lower reactivity. The scope includes theoretical explanations, chemical properties, and the influence of relativistic effects on atomic structure.

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  • Some participants note that Cu and Ag readily give up their outer electron to form +1 ions, making them more reactive than Au.
  • Others argue that all three metals are relatively noble, with Au being the least reactive, as it does not easily oxidize compared to Cu and Ag.
  • A participant questions why Au's 6s1 electron, which contributes to its conductivity, remains tightly bound and unreactive in chemical reactions.
  • One contribution suggests that the differences in reactivity are due to a combination of ionization energies and interactions with other elements, though no single reason is pinpointed.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of reduction potentials, indicating that higher reduction potentials correlate with decreased reactivity, providing specific values for Cu, Ag, and Au.
  • Relativistic effects are proposed as a reason for gold's unique properties, including its resistance to oxidation and its atomic structure, which leads to a contraction of the s-orbitals and stabilization of the outer electron.
  • Some participants highlight the implications of special relativity on gold's chemical behavior, noting that its 6s electron is less accessible due to its position among inner shell electrons.
  • There are mentions of gold's unusual chemistry in advanced applications, such as catalysis and nanotechnology, suggesting a complexity beyond its reactivity.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the reactivity of gold compared to copper and silver, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation for gold's lower reactivity.

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The discussion includes references to ionization energies, reduction potentials, and relativistic effects, but does not resolve the complexities of these concepts or their interrelations.

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Au is on the same group like Cu and Ag, they're all good conductors of heat and electricity due to their outer s orbit single electron: 4s1, 5s1 and 6s1 respectively. Cu and Ag often give up this last electron in chemical reactions to become +1 ions and they are active chemicals.
Yet Au, albeit has similar atomic structure and similar s orbit outer electron, does not tend to do well in chemistry. How's that?
 
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Cu and Ag often give up this last electron in chemical reactions to become +1 ions and they are active chemicals.

They are not active, both are relatively noble. Silver is definitely more difficult to oxidize that copper, and gold is even more difficult to oxidize than silver. All three are between rare metallic elements that occur in the native form.
 
Yeah but we have AgNO3, AgCl, AgNO3, CuCl2... to name a few. But Au is like a "noble solid". It doesn't even react to many strong acids. How come it has an electron at 6s1 to make it so good at conducting heat and electricity yet that electron is like glued to nucleus when it comes to a chemical reaction?
 
You won't get better arguments than handwavy ones. It is all in a combination of ionization energies and interactions with other elements/substances, but it is hard to pinpoint a single reason.
 
Copper, Silver and Gold are frequently referred to as 'The Precious Metals Group'. Their reactive nature can be experimentally related to their reduction potentials. That is, how easily is the element reduced relative to a Standard Hydrogen Electrode. The metal of interest is used as an electrode ( Cathode to be specific ) connected to the standard hydrogen electrode ( Anode ) in the case of Cu, Ag & Au in a Voltaic Cell configuration. The voltage generated by the cell is called the Reduction Potential. The greater positive Reduction Potential, the more difficult to reduce and hence is classified as less reactive. Using the most common ionic forms, the Eo(Std Reduction Potential) [2H+/H2(g)] = 0.00 volts, [Cu+2/Cuo(s)] = +0.34 volts, [Ag+/Auo(s) = +0.80 volts and [Au+3/Auo(s)] = +1.52 volts. The higher positive reduction potential indicates the greater difficulty in reducing the ion to basic standard state and hence a decreased reactive nature. Structural arguments using electron configurations are also used, but are less convincing than actual experimental conclusions. I would suggest reviewing the chemistry of Galvanic/Voltaic Cells to better understand the character and reactive nature of metals as related to reduction potentials generated using a standard hydrogen electrode. Then examine their electron configurations in reduced and oxidized form to see what orbitals and electrons are involved as the metal undergoes transition from ionic form to reduced basic standard state.
 
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Thank you .
 
The reduced reactivity of gold as compared to silver has also to do with relativistic effects. Due to the high charge of the gold nucleus, the electrons near the nucleus reach velocities near the speed of light. This leads to a shrinking of the s-orbitals and the s orbitals becoming energetically stabilized.
 
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Woavv, that's a golden piece of information, thank you.
 
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Sorry for the overlap with Dr. Du but I had been chasing that point up yesterday
I read that gold's exceptionality and non-reactivity is due to a relativistic effect! (Which also accounts for its colour).Special relativity is also responsible for gold's resistance to tarnishing and other chemical reactions. Chemistry is mostly concerned with the electrons in the outermost orbitals. With a single 6s electron, you might expect gold to be highly reactive; after all, cæsium has the same 6s1 outer shell, and it is the most alkaline of natural elements: it explodes if dropped in water, and even reacts with ice. Gold's 6s orbital, however, is relativistically contracted toward the nucleus, and its electron has a high probability to be among the electrons of the filled inner shells. This, along with the stronger electrostatic attraction of the 79 protons in the nucleus, reduce the “atomic radius” of gold to 135 picometres compared to 260 picometres for cæsium with its 55 protons and electrons—the gold atom is almost 50% heavier, yet only a little over half the size of cæsium. Only the most reactive substances can tug gold's 6s1 electron out from where it's hiding among the others, and hence not only the colour of gold, but its immunity from tarnishing and corrosion are consequences of special relativity.
https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/golden_glow/

(I also mentioned some weeks ago that the fact that the lead battery works is also now explained by relativity - though this is harder to understand because it involves energy levels in compounds. https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...ipitation-of-unknown-ion.790077/#post-4980286)

Despite the above gold does have some weird and wonderful chemistry that finds avant-garde applications in catalysis and in nanotechnology and it is a proving ground for supercomputational chemistry.

I was particularly struck by a predicted buckminsterfullerene gold molecule and by the existence of a Au- ion.

http://www.insp.upmc.fr/webornano/ressources/2009/pdf_dijon/02_Pyykko.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S129325580500230X

Maybe best not to go far into this, you might never get out again!
 
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epenguin said:
Special relativity is also responsible for gold's resistance to tarnishing and other chemical reactions. Chemistry is mostly concerned with the electrons in the outermost orbitals. With a single 6s electron, you might expect gold to be highly reactive; after all, cæsium has the same 6s1 outer shell, and it is the most alkaline of natural elements: it explodes if dropped in water, and even reacts with ice. Gold's 6s orbital, however, is relativistically contracted toward the nucleus, and its electron has a high probability to be among the electrons of the filled inner shells. This, along with the stronger electrostatic attraction of the 79 protons in the nucleus, reduce the “atomic radius” of gold to 135 picometres compared to 260 picometres for cæsium with its 55 protons and electrons—the gold atom is almost 50% heavier, yet only a little over half the size of cæsium. Only the most reactive substances can tug gold's 6s1 electron out from where it's hiding among the others, and hence not only the colour of gold, but its immunity from tarnishing and corrosion are consequences of special relativity.

this is what I was looking for! thank you.
 
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epenguin said:
Special relativity is also responsible for gold's resistance to tarnishing and other chemical reactions. Chemistry is mostly concerned with the electrons in the outermost orbitals. With a single 6s electron, you might expect gold to be highly reactive; after all, cæsium has the same 6s1 outer shell, and it is the most alkaline of natural elements: it explodes if dropped in water, and even reacts with ice. Gold's 6s orbital, however, is relativistically contracted toward the nucleus, and its electron has a high probability to be among the electrons of the filled inner shells. This, along with the stronger electrostatic attraction of the 79 protons in the nucleus, reduce the “atomic radius” of gold to 135 picometres compared to 260 picometres for cæsium with its 55 protons and electrons—the gold atom is almost 50% heavier, yet only a little over half the size of cæsium. Only the most reactive substances can tug gold's 6s1 electron out from where it's hiding among the others, and hence not only the colour of gold, but its immunity from tarnishing and corrosion are consequences of special relativity.
https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/golden_glow/
This is comparing apples and pears. Also rubidium is much more reactive than silver and potassium more than copper. So the difference in reactivity between cesium and gold isn't mainly due to relativistic effects. Rather, the smaller size of gold as compared to cesium is mainly due to the filling of the d shell. In fact, also the golden colour of cesium seems to be due to relativistic effects.
 
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I must say I always find attributing the changes in the size/reactivity/electronegativity/whatever to some specific thing ("shielding", "relativistic effects", "ionization energy", you name it) quite unrealistic. Rarely it is a single thing that is responsible, and often deciding in what part the change depends of a single thing is quite handwavy. Most often we trick ourselves into thinking "ah, so it is because of relativistic effects, now I know". You know nothing, John Snow.
 

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