How could a solar farm affect the trains' signalling?

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The discussion revolves around the potential effects of a solar farm providing electricity to a train railway on the train's signalling systems. Participants explore various scenarios, assumptions, and concerns related to the integration of solar energy into existing railway infrastructure.

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  • One participant questions how a solar farm could impact train signalling when it serves as an external energy source instead of relying on the national grid.
  • Another participant expresses that the original question lacks specificity regarding the circuitry and technical details necessary for a thorough answer.
  • A participant suggests a hypothetical scenario where a solar farm in Afghanistan powers a train in Venezuela, arguing that if the power meets local standards, there should be no effect on signalling.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of power supply from a small solar installation, particularly regarding battery storage and the potential for power loss affecting signalling and safety at level crossings.
  • Some participants challenge the notion that the question is "unanswerable," suggesting that while assumptions may lead to impractical conclusions, the question can still be addressed under certain conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the clarity and answerability of the original question. There is no consensus on the implications of using solar energy for train signalling, and multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the assumptions and scenarios presented.

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The discussion highlights limitations related to the vagueness of the initial question, the lack of specific details about the solar farm's size and configuration, and the assumptions made regarding geographical and technical factors.

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How could a solar farm that would provide electricity to trains railway affect the train's signalling?
 
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You think maybe you could be a little more vague?
 
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phinds said:
You think maybe you could be a little more vague?
If I build a solar farm to provide electricity to the train railway, is it anyway that the signalling could be affected by having an exterior energy source rather than national grid energy?
 
I never travel on trains after dark anyway, so it won't affect me. :wink:
 
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Hdez said:
If I build a solar farm to provide electricity to the train railway, is it anyway that the signalling could be affected by having an exterior energy source rather than national grid energy?
Yes, I understood that to be the intent of your question. I still find it too vague to answer since you give zero specifics on the circuitry, voltages, connections, etc. involved.
 
Maybe Hdez is worried that the 500 Watt train signal lights might lose power before the MegaWatt electric trains do...

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t0mm02 said:
If I build a solar farm to provide electricity to the train railway, is [there] anyway that the signalling could be affected by having an exterior energy source rather than national grid energy?
I think other responders have been too cautious. All we need to do is to make some assumptions:
  • You build your solar farm in Afghanistan
  • Your train is in Venezuela
  • The electrical power from your Afghanistan solar farm which you feed into the Venezuelan train infrastructure meets the Venezuelan standards for electrical power. It is therefore indistinguishable from electrical power taken from the Venezuelan electrical grid
I think I can be reasonably confident in predicting there will be no effect on the train system signalling and especially so during the hours of Afghanistan darkness.
 
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So, @t0mm02 you see what happens in a thread when you pose a question that is so vague as to be unanswerable?
 
phinds said:
... a question that is so vague as to be unanswerable?
May I dispute "unanswerable"? :cool:

It is answerable ...

... but the assumptions which need to be made give an answer which is probably of no use whatsoever.

Of course, if you have a solar farm in Afghanistan, if your train is in Venezuela and if you only want the train to run during the hours of Afghanistan sunshine then I think my answer is excellent. But, to paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davies, "Well, I would, wouldn't I?".
 
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phinds said:
So, @t0mm02 you see what happens in a thread when you pose a question that is so vague as to be unanswerable?
Yes, well, the solar farm size is not stated and what it connects to.

We could have a very small solar farm with, just one solar panel, supplying the electricity for the signal lights, with battery storage for periods of weak sunshine. With a prolonged period of weak sunshine, the batteries may drain to the point where they cannot provide enough power to the signal lights, and a failure of some sort ensues, perhaps even to the train itself somehow if we are talking about track signals, or to a car that wishes ( actually it is the driver who wishes - the car and passengers in the car go along for the ride ) to cross a level crossing, and is now not warned of a train approaching .
 
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