How Did Scientists Calculate the Orbital Radius of Jupiter's Moons?

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The discussion revolves around the methods used by early scientists to calculate the orbital radius of Jupiter's moons, exploring both historical context and observational techniques. It includes theoretical considerations and practical applications of angular measurements in astronomy.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Historical

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the methods used by early scientists to determine the orbital radius of Jupiter's moons and how observations can facilitate such calculations.
  • Another participant suggests that knowing the distance to Jupiter allows for straightforward calculations of the moon's orbital radius using the formula D = θ d / 206,265, where D is the linear size, θ is the angular size in arcseconds, and d is the distance to the object.
  • A subsequent post proposes a method involving telescope observations at opposition to measure the angular distance from Jupiter to its moon, followed by applying the aforementioned formula to find the orbital radius.
  • Another participant adds that while opposition is not strictly necessary, measuring the angular distance over multiple orbits would yield a more accurate estimate of the maximum orbital radius.
  • A historical inquiry is raised about how 17th-century scientists, specifically Römer, determined the distance to Jupiter and the implications of his measurements on the speed of light and earlier estimates by Galilei.
  • A participant references a Wikipedia article for further reading on Römer's determination of the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the methods of measurement and the historical context, with no consensus reached on the specifics of Römer's calculations or the accuracy of earlier estimates.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the accuracy of angular measurements, the historical context of distance estimations, and the unresolved nature of errors in early calculations of the speed of light and distances to celestial bodies.

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How did the first scientists figure out the orbital radius of a moon of Jupiter? How can observations lead to a calculation of the orbital radius of a moon of another planet?
How did the first scientists figure out the orbital radius of a moon of Jupiter? How can observations lead to a calculation of the orbital radius of a moon of another planet?
 
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So would you find the orbital radius of a Jovian moon by using a telescope to view Jupiter at opposition during a time when the moon is farthest from Jupiter? Then you could find the arcseconds of angle from the center of Jupiter to the center of the moon? Then you could use the equation D = θ d / 206,265? Then D would be the orbital radius of the moon?
 
Yeah, although:
1. it doesn't really have to be at opposition
2. you'd need to measure the angular distance of the moon over several/many orbits to get a good estimate of the maximum orbital radius.
 
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How did the scientists figure out distance to Jupiter back in 17th century? Römer measured speed of light by 1676, but he got the speed about 30% too slow. How much of it was the error in travel time, how much the error in distance to Jupiter?
How much was Römer´s distance in 1676 better than Galilei´s distance, if any, in 1610?
 

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