How did they divide the equations ?

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The problem involves two point charges that repel each other while suspended from threads, and the goal is to determine the angle theta between the threads. The context includes concepts from electrostatics and mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the method of dividing two equations derived from the forces acting on the charges. There is an exploration of how to manipulate the equations to eliminate variables, particularly tension.

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Some participants have provided insights on the division of equations, while others are clarifying the assumptions and variables involved. There is recognition of the utility of this approach in simplifying the problem.

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There is mention of a potential missing variable related to the length of the string, which is specified as 1 meter. Participants are also considering the implications of using this method to eliminate variables in their calculations.

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How did they "divide the equations"?

Homework Statement



Two 5.0g point charges on 1.0m-long threads repel each other after being charged to +100nC.
What is angle theta? You can assume theta is a small angle.

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Homework Equations


K=9.0*10^9 Nm^2/C^2
g=9.8m/s^2
q=\frac{K|q_1||q_2|}{d^2}

The Attempt at a Solution



I determined my unknowns and translated everything into standard units, and drew out the free-body diagram.

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Translated everything into standard units.
5.0g = 5.0*10^(-3) kg
100nc = 100*10^(-9) C

\frac{1}{2}d=\sin{\theta}
d=2\sin{\theta}
T_x=T\sin{\theta}=F_{2on1}=\frac{Kq^2}{d^2}
T_x=T\sin{\theta}=F_{2on1}=\frac{Kq^2}{(2\sin{\theta})^2}
T_x=T\sin{\theta}=F_{2on1}=\frac{Kq^2}{4sin^2{\theta} }
T_y=T\cos{\theta}=mg

The "missing" step:
The solutions manual says that the next step from here is to "divide the two equations and solve for q". What I don't know is how they "divided the two equations" to get this:

\sin^2{\theta}\tan{\theta}=\frac{Kq^2}{4L^2mg}=4.59*10^{-4}
 
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Divide this equation:
aleksbooker said:
T\sin{\theta}=\frac{Kq^2}{4sin^2{\theta} }
By this one:
T\cos{\theta}=mg

Divide the left sides by each other and the right sides by each other.
 
hi aleksbooker! :wink:
aleksbooker said:
T_x=T\sin{\theta}=F_{2on1}=\frac{Kq^2}{4sin^2{\theta} }
T_y=T\cos{\theta}=mg

What I don't know is how they "divided the two equations"

you divide Tsinθ by Tcosθ, to give you Ttanθ = … ? :smile:

(hmm … there seems to be an L2 missing :confused:)
 
tiny-tim said:
(hmm … there seems to be an L2 missing :confused:)

Apparently, L is the length of the string, which is given as 1 m.
 
Mind blown. Thanks @Doc Al. Okay, that works - I'm assuming it only makes to do something like this when you can use it to eliminate a variable (like T in this problem).
 
Yea, L was the length of the string.
 
aleksbooker said:
I'm assuming it only makes to do something like this when you can use it to eliminate a variable (like T in this problem).
Think of it as just another tool in your bag of tricks. A useful one.
 

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