How Do Banach Spaces and Bounded Linear Operators Interact in Homework Problems?

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The discussion revolves around the interaction between Banach spaces and bounded linear operators, specifically focusing on a problem involving the norm of an operator and its properties. Participants are examining the implications of the Banach space property in the context of bounded linear operators.

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  • Participants explore strategies for proving the boundedness of the operator norm, with some suggesting the use of specific functions to demonstrate lower bounds. Questions arise regarding the necessity of the Banach space property and the selection of functions for analysis.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem, with some participants providing examples and questioning the relevance of certain properties. Guidance has been offered regarding the selection of functions and the implications of the Banach space context, but no consensus has been reached.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the necessity of the Banach property in their proofs, while others note the variety of functions that could be chosen for analysis. The original poster indicates a lack of clarity on how to utilize the Banach space property effectively.

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Homework Statement



http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4844/56494936eo0.png

2. relevant equations
BL = bounded linear space (or all operators which are bounded).

The Attempt at a Solution



I got for the first part:

[tex]||A||_{BL} =||tf(t)||_{\infty} \leq ||f||_{\infty}[/tex] so

[tex]||A||_{BL} \leq 1[/tex]

In second part I have to proof that: [tex]||A||_{BL} \geq 1[/tex] and thus the conclusion can be drawn.

But I'm stuck at how to use the fact that E is banach. (At least that's the one thing I haven't used yet so I presume I need it for the second part)
 
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The general strategy for this is to prove that ||A|| is bounded below the proposed value, then find a single example where the norm is greater than or equal to the proposed value.

For example, if the map was f(t) -> 2f(t) we could show ||A||>=2 by citing the example f=1... |A(1)| = |2| = |2|*|1| and by definition this gives (assuming we've shown A is bounded) ||A||>=2.

Usually it's just guesswork to find this and doesn't require extra information. In this case try f = t
 
Office_Shredder said:
The general strategy for this is to prove that ||A|| is bounded below the proposed value, then find a single example where the norm is greater than or equal to the proposed value.

For example, if the map was f(t) -> 2f(t) we could show ||A||>=2 by citing the example f=1... |A(1)| = |2| = |2|*|1| and by definition this gives (assuming we've shown A is bounded) ||A||>=2.

Usually it's just guesswork to find this and doesn't require extra information. In this case try f = t

Yes that is clear but I'm worried that I might have to use the fact that E is banach. By the way you choose f(t)=t but why can't I choose for example f(t)=1 it is continuous and the supremum norm is one. Aren't there a lot possibilities for choosing this function?
 
There are a lot of possibilities for the function you pick...

The fact that E is Banach is unnecessary, but keep in mind though that you DID in fact use it when you chose not to prove that you're working over a normed vector space.
 
Office_Shredder said:
There are a lot of possibilities for the function you pick...

The fact that E is Banach is unnecessary, but keep in mind though that you DID in fact use it when you chose not to prove that you're working over a normed vector space.
If that's the case it would be unneccessary to put the exclamation sign there but my instructor DID so I'm probably missing something.
 
dirk_mec1 said:

Homework Statement



http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4844/56494936eo0.png

2. relevant equations
BL = bounded linear space (or all operators which are bounded).

The Attempt at a Solution



I got for the first part:

[tex]||A||_{BL} =||tf(t)||_{\infty} \leq ||f||_{\infty}[/tex] so

[tex]||A||_{BL} \leq 1[/tex]

In second part I have to proof that: [tex]||A||_{BL} \geq 1[/tex] and thus the conclusion can be drawn.

But I'm stuck at how to use the fact that E is banach. (At least that's the one thing I haven't used yet so I presume I need it for the second part)

what u write is wrong

So,

[tex]||A||_{BL} =sup{||A(f)||_{\infty} ,for ||f||_{\infty} \leq 1[/tex]

[tex]=sup{||tf(t)||_{\infty} ,for ||f||_{\infty} \leq 1[/tex]

[tex]=sup{|t|||f(t)||_{\infty} ,for ||f||_{\infty} \leq 1[/tex]

[tex]\leq sup{|t|||f|_{\infty}|t| ,for ||f||_{\infty} \leq 1[/tex]

[tex]\leq 1[/tex]

Now consider [tex]f^*(t)=-t+1[/tex] for all t in [0,1] => [tex]||f^*||_{\infty}=1[/tex]

notice that [tex]f^*(t)[/tex] is continuous in [0,1] and [tex]f(1)=0[/tex]

also

[tex]1=||A(f^*)||_{\infty} \leq ||A||_{BL}||f^*||_{\infty}=||A||_{BL}[/tex]


enjoy
 
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