How Do Braking Forces Affect Train Derailment Distances and Coupling Forces?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of braking forces on train derailment distances and coupling forces, specifically analyzing a scenario involving kinetic energy, work done by friction, and the application of Newton's laws to multiple train cars.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of distance traveled after braking and the forces in couplings between train cars. There are attempts to apply kinetic energy and work equations, with some questioning the relevance of certain forces and the need to consider each car separately.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their calculations and questioning the assumptions made in their approaches. There is a focus on clarifying the application of Newton's second law and the forces acting on individual cars, although no consensus on the correct answers has been reached.

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Participants note that only two of the three cars produce friction, and there is uncertainty regarding the acceleration being the same for all cars. The discussion includes various calculations and interpretations of forces involved in the scenario.

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The composition of meters shown in Figure traffic to 72,4 km/h when the brakes of the wheels A and B were activated, causing the derailment. Determine (a) the distance traveled by the rest and (b) the force in each coupling. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the wheels and rails is 0,30.

Answer:
(a) 98,1 m
(b) FAB = 2,4x10^4 N; FBC = 5,6x10^4 N


My solution:
(a) Kinetic energy:
T = 1/2mv^2 = 1,83x10^7 J
Work:
U = (PT - FT).x
PT (Total weight) = 89x10^4
FT (Total force of friction) = 2,67x10^5
U = 6,23x10^5x

x = T / U = 29,44m Is not the correct answer
 

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Apprentice123 said:
My solution:
(a) Kinetic energy:
T = 1/2mv^2 = 1,83x10^7 J
OK.
Work:
U = (PT - FT).x
I don't understand this equation. You just need the work done by friction.
PT (Total weight) = 89x10^4
FT (Total force of friction) = 2,67x10^5
Only two of the three cars produce friction.
 


Doc Al said:
OK.

I don't understand this equation. You just need the work done by friction.

Only two of the three cars produce friction.

Yes. Thanks

U = 1,87x10^5
x = T/U = 97,86m

How do I calculate (b)?
 


Apprentice123 said:
How do I calculate (b)?
Consider each car separately. Apply Newton's 2nd law. (What's the acceleration of each car?)
 


Doc Al said:
Consider each car separately. Apply Newton's 2nd law. (What's the acceleration of each car?)

Acceleration is the same for all cars?

V^2 = (Vo)^2 +2aX
a = V^2/2X = 2,066 m/s^2
 


I not find the correct answer

FAB = FatA + FatB + (mA+mB)a

FatA = PA . u
FatB = PB . u

FAB = 3,18x10^5 N
 


Apprentice123 said:
Acceleration is the same for all cars?

V^2 = (Vo)^2 +2aX
a = V^2/2X = 2,066 m/s^2
Looks OK.

Apprentice123 said:
I not find the correct answer

FAB = FatA + FatB + (mA+mB)a
I don't understand what you are doing. Analyze each car separately.

For example, consider car A. What horizontal forces act on it? (One force is the coupling force FB/A from car B.) Apply Newton's 2nd law to solve for that force.
 


Doc Al said:
Looks OK.


I don't understand what you are doing. Analyze each car separately.

For example, consider car A. What horizontal forces act on it? (One force is the coupling force FB/A from car B.) Apply Newton's 2nd law to solve for that force.

Yes. But I do not find the answer

Fb/a = (2,67x10^5)/9,81 * 2,066 + 2,67x10^5 * 0,3
Fb/a = 136330,581 N
 


Apprentice123 said:
Yes. But I do not find the answer

Fb/a = (2,67x10^5)/9,81 * 2,066 + 2,67x10^5 * 0,3
Fb/a = 136330,581 N
ΣF = Ff + Fb/a = m*a
 
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Doc Al said:
ΣF = Ff + Fb/a = m*a

Ok. Thank you very much
 

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