How Do Eddy Current Losses in Transformer Cores Work?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on understanding eddy current losses in transformer cores, exploring the mathematical relationships and constants involved in calculating these losses. Participants are examining the definitions and implications of various equations related to induced electromotive force (emf) and power loss due to eddy currents.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents equations for magnetic flux and induced emf, questioning if the representation should be in degrees rather than radians.
  • Another participant clarifies that the induced emf per turn in the winding around the core is represented by the equation ωθm = Em.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between KE and α, with one participant suggesting they are the same, while another proposes that the equation for eddy current losses should reflect a proportionality rather than equality.
  • A later reply references historical context, mentioning Steinmetz's experimental work on the subject from the late 1800s.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether KE and α are equivalent and how to properly represent the relationship between eddy current losses and the variables involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding these interpretations.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of constants and the mathematical steps involved in deriving the relationships discussed. The scope of the discussion is limited to theoretical considerations without experimental validation presented in the thread.

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Hi, I have been trying to understand eddy current loss in transformer cores but seem to have run into a bit of a misunderstanding with one of the books I have read, and I was wondering if someone could just clarify if I have got this all right.

starting with the beginning, if the magnetic flux varies sinusoidal, then the flux at one instant would be;

∅ = ∅msin(ωt) (I have been told this should be done in degrees and not radians?)

value of induced emf in core at any time (t) =

\frac{d∅}{dt} = ω∅mcos(ωt)

Am I correct in saying that from this second equation, ωθm = Em (Max induced EMF in core)?

If Es = rms value of emf induced in core, this = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}ω∅m = \sqrt{2}∏f∅m = \sqrt{2}∏f(ABm)

Eddy current Power Losses = \frac{E<sub>s</sub><sup>2</sup>}{R<sub>s</sub>}
= \frac{2*∏<sup>2</sup>*f<sup>2</sup>*A<sup>2</sup>*B<sub>m</sub><sup>2</sup>}{R<sub>s</sub>}

The next bit is the section of the notes that seems to confuse me,

Eddy current Power Loss = PE = KE*f2*BM2, where KE = Constant = 2*∏2*A2/Rs.

The book then says 'hence eddy current losses = α (f2*BM2)

Does this mean that KE is the same as α and eddy current power loss is the same as eddy current loss, or are these two different things? As far as I can see they appear the same but I just wanted to make sure from someone who has a bit more experience or knowledge of this.

thanks
 
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Physicist3 said:
value of induced emf in core at any time (t) =

\frac{d∅}{dt} = ω∅mcos(ωt)

Am I correct in saying that from this second equation, ωθm = Em (Max induced EMF in core)?
That would be emf induced per turn in the winding around the core, I think.

The book then says 'hence eddy current losses = α (f2*BM2)

Lose the equals sign. I think that should be a simple proportionality:

eddy current losses α[/size] (f2*BM2)
 
Eddy current Power Loss = PE = KE*f2*BM2, where KE = Constant = 2*∏2*A2/Rs.

The book then says 'hence eddy current losses = α (f2*BM2)

Both are the same, eddy current losses means the power loss due to eddy current.
 
Try a search on Steinmetz - he figured it out by experiment late 1800's
some old textbooks are showing up online nowadays with first-hand explanation.
 

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