How Do Energy Boundaries Extend to Infinity in Ashcroft Mermin's Equation 2.60?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of energy boundaries in Eq. 2.60 of Ashcroft and Mermin's work, particularly focusing on how the integration limits change from finite to infinite values when transitioning from momentum space to energy space. Participants explore the implications of the density of states function, g(E), and its role in defining these boundaries.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how the energy boundaries extend from minus to plus infinity and whether energy E can indeed take negative values.
  • One participant suggests that the function g(E) could be zero for energy values outside the spectrum of the system, implying that the integration boundaries may not affect the final result.
  • Another participant explains that g(E) represents the density of states, which varies depending on the specific system being analyzed.
  • There is a discussion about the substitution of variables in integrals, particularly how to transition from k to E using the relationship E = (ħ²/2m)k² and its implications for the differential elements in the integration.
  • One participant provides a specific form for g(E) and discusses how it relates to the integration process, including the role of the Heaviside theta function in defining integration limits.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the final steps of the equation and the conceptual understanding of variable substitution in integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of g(E) as the density of states, but there is no consensus on the implications of the energy boundaries or the substitution process in the integration. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of these boundaries and the final steps in the equation.

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Limitations include the dependence on the specific form of g(E) for different systems and the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in the transition from k to E.

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Dear Physics Forums users
Eq. 2.60 of Ashcroft, Mermin is
\int \frac{d\vec{k}}{4\pi^3} F(E(\vec{k}) = \int_0^\infty \frac{k^2dk}{\pi^2}F(E(\vec{k})) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} dE g(E) F(E)

I understand the first transformation is done by introducing spherical coordinates (as written in the text) and to integrate out \phi and \theta.
I also get the second transformation, where we insert the expression for the energy E=\frac{\hbar^2 k^2}{2m}, but what I don't understand is the new boundaries. How do we arrive at the boundaries from minus to plus infinity? Does E range from -infinity to plus infinity?

Thanks for any hints?
 
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mzh said:
Dear Physics Forums users
Eq. 2.60 of Ashcroft, Mermin is
\int \frac{d\vec{k}}{4\pi^3} F(E(\vec{k}) = \int_0^\infty \frac{k^2dk}{\pi^2}F(E(\vec{k})) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} dE g(E) F(E)

I understand the first transformation is done by introducing spherical coordinates (as written in the text) and to integrate out \phi and \theta.
I also get the second transformation, where we insert the expression for the energy E=\frac{\hbar^2 k^2}{2m}, but what I don't understand is the new boundaries. How do we arrive at the boundaries from minus to plus infinity? Does E range from -infinity to plus infinity?

Thanks for any hints?

Hello,

I think your problem will be gone if you note that in the last expression there is a function g(E) that could be equal to zero for the values of energy that do not belong to the spectra of the system considered.

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Note also that you do not need to assume E=\frac{\hslash ^2 k^2}{2m} because a different expression for E(k) would only cause a change in the explicit form of g(E).

Ilm
 
@Ilmrak. Thanks for the reply... ok, so what's the motivation for introducing g(E)? And, how to come up with the definition of g(E)?
 
Hello,

I's been a while since the last time I read that book and I don't have one here to read.

That said, if I remember well what that formula was about, the motivation to introduce g(E) is that the last expression obtained in Eq. 2.60 is much more general then the one you started with. Different systems will have different functions g(E).

The function g(E) is defined as the density of the states with energy E, i.e. g(E) \mathrm{d}E is equal to the numer of states with energy between E and E+\mathrm{d}E. This number obviously depends on the specific system considered.

I hope this helps a bit,

Ilm
 
Hello. That's right, g(E) is the state density. But what I still don't see is how the substitution k\rightarrow E is being made.
 
If I understand your problem you don't get the last step of that equation.
Then the solution is very simple.
Try with this expression for the states density

<br /> g(E) = \frac{1}{\pi^2 \hslash ^3} \theta(E) \sqrt{2m^3 E} \; ,<br />

You will see that, being E= \frac{\hslash ^2}{2m} k^2, then

\frac{k^2}{\pi^2} \mathrm{d}k = g(E) \mathrm{d}E.

Ilm

Edit: the Heaviside theta is obviously to fix the integration boundaries.
 
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Ilmrak said:
Edit: the Heaviside theta is obviously to fix the integration boundaries.

ahm, yeah heard of it...

yes, it's the last step of the equation that I'm struggling with.

I guess my conceptual problem is that to me the term substitution of variables when calculating integrals involves some sort of u(x) = 2x mechanism when calculating the integral \int \sin 2x dx.
 
mzh said:
ahm, yeah heard of it...

yes, it's the last step of the equation that I'm struggling with.

I guess my conceptual problem is that to me the term substitution of variables when calculating integrals involves some sort of u(x) = 2x mechanism when calculating the integral \int \sin 2x dx.

In particular here we have E(k)= \frac{\hslash ^2}{2m} k^2, and then \mathrm{d}E=\frac{\hslash ^2}{m} k \, \mathrm{d}k.

If you are not familiar with the Heaviside theta don't worry, it's very simple!

<br /> \theta(t)= 0 \quad \mathrm{if} \quad t&lt;0,<br />
<br /> \theta(t)= 1 \quad \mathrm{if} \quad t&gt;0.<br />

Then:

\int_{-a}^b \mathrm{d}t \; f(t) \, \theta (t) = \int_{0}^b \mathrm{d}t \; f(t) \quad \forall \,a,b\in ℝ^+ \; , \, \forall f \in C^0(ℝ).<br />

Ilm
 

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