How do equal water depths affect gravitational potential energy?

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The discussion revolves around the effect of equal water depths on gravitational potential energy (GPE), specifically examining how changes in the height of water in different vessels influence GPE calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the height of water and GPE, questioning the implications of equal depths and the role of the center of gravity. There are attempts to calculate GPE changes based on different heights and mass distributions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the calculations of GPE and the importance of considering the center of gravity. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of the entire volume of water rather than individual vessels.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the initial and final heights of the center of gravity and how these relate to the overall change in GPE. Participants are also clarifying the concept of an extended object in this context.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


GPE=mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't understand why the answer is B. My approach is assigning h a random value, say 10m. When the depths of water in both vessels are equal, the height is 5m. Therefore, since the mass of water in both vessels are still m, shouldn't the loss in GPE be half? I don't know why I'm wrong.
 
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For an extended object, the gravitational potential energy is determined by the location of the center of gravity of the object. Consider the height of the center of gravity before and after.
 
I still don't get one quarter. I will only get that answer if I don't consider the gain in GPE in vessel Y.
 
What is the initial height of the center of gravity? The final height?
 
1/2h and 1/4h?
 
Yes. So, what are the initial and final values of gravitational PE?
 
1/2mgh - 1/4mgh?
 
OK, that would be the loss of gravitational PE.
 
But how about the gain in GPE in vessel Y?
 
  • #10
toforfiltum said:
But how about the gain in GPE in vessel Y?
That is already taken care of. If you consider only vessel X, then the change in PE would be

PEf - PEi = (m/2)g(h/4) - mg(h/2) = (1/8)mgh - (1/2)mgh = -(3/8)mgh.

Vessel Y gains PE in the amount (m/2)g(h/4) = (1/8)mgh.

Overall, there is a change of -(3/8)mgh + (1/8)mgh = -(1/4)mgh.

But you don't need to consider each vessel individually. Just consider the entire volume of water and work with the center of gravity of the entire volume.
 
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Oh, thanks. I didn't know that I should use centre of gravity to solve this question. And what do you mean by an extended object?
 
  • #12
Extended just means that the mass is spread out over some region rather than being concentrated at a point.
 
  • #13
Ok, thanks again:oldsmile:
 

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